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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    I like it..if he explodes again as expected I hope they at least move him to the pen.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    Minimizing the number of pitches that Milton has to throw is a great idea IMO. I just wonder how well he would respond to pitching more frequently, as some guys have a harder time adjusting to this than others.
    I too wonder about this -- with his injury history and his bad knee, I imagine that he needs every one of those 4 or 5 days off to recover and get his strength back. Going out and pitching on a nightly basis might not be the best thing for his knee.

    I'm still wondering if Milton was under marching orders from DanO to throw a sinking fastball more often, especially early in the count. He set a career high in OPSA, struck out half a batter fewer per 9 innings, but also posted the best GB/FB ratio of his career. Though, if this were the case, I fully expect that he would've said something to shift the blame off himself for the horrid season he had last year.

    I agree with M2 and Cyclone, though. As a member of the starting rotation, he's a dead hole -- posting the second-worst VORP for a pitcher in the majors. Simply exchanging him in the rotation with a league-average player instantly makes the Reds a better team. If they can turn him into a 0-value VORP pitcher in the pen, it's a good thing for the team.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone
    How much do other teams pay for a closer? For a good closer? For a lights out closer?

    It sounds like just the sort of out-of-the-box thinking that this club needs to consider. If they never give it a try (preferrably in ST), how will they ever know?

    And like someone else said, if it works and his salary is comparable to other closers, the Reds could potentially flip him.
    Milton might be a better Reliever than a Starter, but he isn't a very good pitcher period. If this was succesful, he still probably wouldn't be anymore than an average Closer, and his contract will still look horrible.

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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Just about anything is preferable to what he did last year. But I'd give him another shot in the rotation, and if there's no significant improvement, I'd send him to the pen as a situational lefty (his numbers against lefties are OK) and garbage innings guy. In the meantime, I'd give the young guys (Coffey, Belisle, Wagner, even Simpson) their shots to see if anyone emerges. In the event the young guys fail, then maybe the already desperate Milton gets a chance. However, just watching Milton leads me to believe he does not have the predisposition to close. He seems decidedly unadrenalized and nonresilient.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve
    Just about anything is preferable to what he did last year. But I'd give him another shot in the rotation, and if there's no significant improvement, I'd send him to the pen as a situational lefty (his numbers against lefties are OK) and garbage innings guy.
    And I'd do it sooner rather than later... not wait until August or September.

    To stick with a guy who's performing badly just because he's getting top dollar is folly... and that's what they did last year. They've got to pay him regardless of whether he's on the mound or warming the bench. If he isn't performing, get him out of the game and give the offence at least a bleeping chance before getting buried prior to the third inning!
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    He does have a lot of experience pitching from a stretch.
    Problem is he K's less guys from the stretch. For his career it's 7.2 to 5.6 from windup to stretch. Last year it was 6/5.8

    His rate last year 5.94 was his career worst and 1.27 less than the year before, that rate represents exactly 27 less K's over his whole season.

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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    Problem is he K's less guys from the stretch. For his career it's 7.2 to 5.6 from windup to stretch. Last year it was 6/5.8

    His rate last year 5.94 was his career worst and 1.27 less than the year before, that rate represents exactly 27 less K's over his whole season.
    Perhaps that's dependent upon when the "stretch" becomes necessary? Maybe if he hasn't already thrown X number of pitches before pitching in the stretch becomes necessary, he might be more productive?

    I'm not trying to disagree with you, more like trying to stir up the pot.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone
    Perhaps that's dependent upon when the "stretch" becomes necessary? Maybe if he hasn't already thrown X number of pitches before pitching in the stretch becomes necessary, he might be more productive?

    I'm not trying to disagree with you, more like trying to stir up the pot.
    Actually it's the pressure the stretch puts on his bad knee that causes the problem, so if said knee isn't sore from the get-go then maybe it won't effect him.

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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    Problem is he K's less guys from the stretch. For his career it's 7.2 to 5.6 from windup to stretch. Last year it was 6/5.8

    His rate last year 5.94 was his career worst and 1.27 less than the year before, that rate represents exactly 27 less K's over his whole season.

    Yeah, I was just being a smartass.

    I've noticed that he sees a lot of baserunners when he pitches. Although, he does avoid that situation fairly often too, as many hitters he faces don't actually stop at a base until they reach home again.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    Problem is he K's less guys from the stretch. For his career it's 7.2 to 5.6 from windup to stretch. Last year it was 6/5.8

    His rate last year 5.94 was his career worst and 1.27 less than the year before, that rate represents exactly 27 less K's over his whole season.
    My solution to that is to stop pitching out of the stretch. He probably would have the luxury of ignoring a single baserunner in a lot of closing situations.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    I actually wouldn't mind seeing if it could work, but....

    If it fails in ST, and even worse the first month of the season, then he is completely lost for the whole season. I know what your thinkin, well he can't get any worse and the Reds are already wasting that money in the first place. I would rather have an Eric Milton that makes 2 quality starts then an Eric Milton that the Reds are paying all that money to with 0 quality starts.

    I also love the idea of Kevin Brown if:

    A.) He is healthy
    B.) He is cheap
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Steve: Well Marty, here we are in the bottom of the ninth, Reds lead by a run but there are two runners on with no one out.

    Marty: Yeah, but Jerry knows what he's doing. He's bringing in the savey left-hander, Eric Milton to face left-handed hitting Alito Smallball.

    Steve: Right Marty. A good move. Alito is known for his fine glove but the coaches still have to tell him to turn the label up. Like most of the shortstops from the Dominican, he's a free swinger. As they say, ya' can't walk off the island. Of course, with his 2 doubles and a sac fly last year in 563 at bats, he can be dangerous at times.

    Marty: Milton's the right choice here Steve. His 83 mile per hour fastball and 82 mile per hour changeup should take the bat right out of Alito's hands because Milton is one of those crafty veterans that know how to win. Just like the tomato garden, ya' can't find that kind of quality in just any corner grocery store. Where, oh where, would the Reds be now if Dan O'Brien hadn't had the vision to sign Eric Milton!?!

    Marty: Here's the pitch. Alito swings and sends a popup towards second base while hitting himself in the head with the back swing.....the ball's got a little carry on it. Dunn and Freel droping back into the outfield....Kearns drifting back.....the bull pen guys are on their feet....the crowd is drifting back....#$%#$%!%!!! (Dead Air)

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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Is that the kind of "creative thinking" we keep getting promised? Who knows, it could work.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    I remember when Ted Power went from being a top closer to melting down Danny Graves-style each time he came in. When the decision was made to make him a starter, I thought, "This is going to be ugly," but he went on to a decent career as a starter. So stranger things have happened. Ryan Dempster is probably the best example of a troubled starter becomes an effective closer, but that's not proof, is it?

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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    I did get to speak to Kullman tonight about this subject. He told me someone already e-mailed him about that last night. Which one of you was it? Anyway he seemed open to the idea but needed a better reason than using him for an inning is better than using him for several innings. He said he would like to see him as a mopup man.

    I also asked him about moving Jr. to LF and using WMP in CF. He said it's been discussed. He said Bench talked to Kullman about it and said when he played 1st it wasn't an easy gig since he had to move around a lot with lots of starts and stops. They feel that whatever runs Jr. gives up in CF is offset by his presence in the lineup.

    He's also still very high on the 4 man rotation. He's done a lot of research on pitching.
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