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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by corkedbat
    I thought part of Milton's problems last year was his performance in his first inning of work. I don't know that giving him 60-70 first innings as a closer as opposed to 30-35 as a starter is a recipe for improvement.
    Perhaps. But when you're a starter you have to pace yourself to pitch an entire game and not just one inning. If you know you will only pitch one inning you can throw as hard as you can knowing you won't throw more than 20 innings.

    Personally, I think we are OK as far as closers go. I'm more concerned about the guys that are starting the games rather than the guys that are closing them. Graves had about 10 or so saves last year before he was released. A pitcher can give up a line drive to the 3rd baseman a liner to the 2nd baseman and a deep fly ball that the CF had to go over the wall to make the catch and that's 3 outs just as if he struck everybody out. The odds are better that a pitcher can pitch one scoreless inning than if he pitches multiple innings. If the Reds were in the middle of a pennant race and they had trouble getting through the 9th inning, I might think differently.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    I guess I don't like the idea of moving Milton into a closer, because I've seen no evidence that Milton can actually bear down and put that little extra on it.

    Milton is extremely inconsistent. Last year, it seemed like he'd totally lose it and give up huge innings.

    I'd consider moving him to middle relief, but then who do you move into the rotation to replace him? Let's assume the rotation now is: Harang, Claussen, Williams, Milton, and ? Wilson.. I guess you could use Belise if Wilson is healthy, but he seems to do better in relief.

    Right now, we're looking at 2 more years of Milton. I know everyone wants to get rid of him. Since we aren't contending next year, I think it's better to hope he can turn in a 4.75 ERA as a starter, and maybe at the deadline, someone will pick him up as a 5th starter. Yes, that's a longshot, but I think it's a bigger longshot to hope he can become a closer people will get excited about. Think about it... when it's time to talk trade, there's usually plenty of skilled AND cheap relievers available.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD
    Right now, we're looking at 2 more years of Milton. I know everyone wants to get rid of him. Since we aren't contending next year, I think it's better to hope he can turn in a 4.75 ERA as a starter, and maybe at the deadline, someone will pick him up as a 5th starter. Yes, that's a longshot, but I think it's a bigger longshot to hope he can become a closer people will get excited about. Think about it... when it's time to talk trade, there's usually plenty of skilled AND cheap relievers available.
    Actually, we could be looking at only 1 more year of Milton.

    Eric Milton: signed 3-year deal thru 2007 season on 12/27/04- he receives a 4M signing bonus and salaries of 4M in 2005, 8.5M in 2006 and 9M in 2007- + he can opt out of the deal following the 2006 season and become a free agent Agent: Casey Close Service Time: 7.000

    My guess is that if we stick him in the mop up role from spring training on, he'd be a lot more likely to opt out. Although, He probably wouldn't be able to find a 3 yr / $9M contract on the F.A. market, so I doubt he leaves. Maybe he can opt out and the Reds can "settle" on a figure for him to get the hell out of here?
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    I can think of about 9 million reasons that he'll never leave before his three years are up.

    9 million reasons he'll never find anywhere else.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    It's a shame that teams don't put "incentives" for them in the deal. Like, if said pitcher has an ERA over 5.75 all years following that season are null and void, or if OPS against is over .950, the contract is voided and $1M in salary is due back to the team. I mean players get all kinds of crazy stupid incentives added in for All-Star appearances (when they have 4.50 ERA when elected). Teams should be able to do some jacking around, too.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Stats by pitch count:

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    Pitches       AB  R  H  2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP  SLG   OPS 
    Pitches 1-15  116 35 38 6  0   8 11  5  0   17 0  1 .328 .355 .586  .942 
    Pitches 16-30 123 17 35 8  1   6 21  10 2   17 0  0 .285 .348 .512  .860 
    Pitches 31-45 112 13 28 4  1   1 13  9  2   20 3  1 .250 .312 .330  .642 
    Pitches 46-60 122 13 43 12 2   9 26  9  2   13 2  0 .352 .403 .705 1.108 
    Pitches 61-75 116 21 33 9  1   4 25  6  1   24 3  0 .284 .310 .483  .793 
    Pitches 76-90 105 25 33 9  1   8 17  8  0   17 2  1 .314 .360 .648 1.007 
    Pitches 91-105 70 14 24 7  1   4 15  5  0   8  1  0 .343 .377 .643 1.019
    The only time he was any good at all was during Pitches 31-45. Odd, since it came in the middle of the game. Maybe that represents his first shot at the opposing 6-9 hitters.

    If he could somehow harness the magic of Pitches 31-45, he could be effective on the mound. Unfortunately, I think Pitches 1-15 and 16-30 are more likely to be the norm.

    I am in favor of moving him to the bullpen, though. Try him at closer, then stick him in mop-up duty. If he's effective, that's a big plus. If not, well, maybe he'll be so miserable he'll opt out of his final year.
    Last edited by Johnny Footstool; 01-30-2006 at 03:36 PM.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    So we make sure he warms up and then throws 30 pitches before the 9th inning, and not more than 15 pitches in the 9th inning and we'll have ourselves a borderline closer. Sweeet.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    That chart is simply gut-wrenching to look at, BTW, Johnny.

    Makes me want to puke.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    So we make sure he warms up and then throws 30 pitches before the 9th inning, and not more than 15 pitches in the 9th inning and we'll have ourselves a borderline closer. Sweeet.
    Looks like that's the only way. Work him like a dog in warmups, then yank him as soon as Pitch #45 leaves his hand.

    That chart is simply gut-wrenching to look at, BTW, Johnny.

    Makes me want to puke.
    The sickest thing is, he actually pitched over 180 innings with numbers like that.
    Last edited by Johnny Footstool; 01-30-2006 at 03:39 PM.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader
    That chart is simply gut-wrenching to look at, BTW, Johnny.

    Makes me want to puke.
    I was thinking the same thing as I read it.

    I know a player will never walk away from guaranteed millions but at what point does some level of pride take over and make them at least feel bad about stealing their paycheck? Am I the only one who would lose sleep if I were this bad at what I did for a living and the whole world, save Dan O, knew it?

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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc D
    I was thinking the same thing as I read it.

    I know a player will never walk away from guaranteed millions but at what point does some level of pride take over and make them at least feel bad about stealing their paycheck? Am I the only one who would lose sleep if I were this bad at what I did for a living and the whole world, save Dan O, knew it?
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    Stats by pitch count:

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    Pitches       AB  R  H  2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP  SLG   OPS 
    Pitches 1-15  116 35 38 6  0   8 11  5  0   17 0  1 .328 .355 .586  .942 
    Pitches 16-30 123 17 35 8  1   6 21  10 2   17 0  0 .285 .348 .512  .860 
    Pitches 31-45 112 13 28 4  1   1 13  9  2   20 3  1 .250 .312 .330  .642 
    Pitches 46-60 122 13 43 12 2   9 26  9  2   13 2  0 .352 .403 .705 1.108 
    Pitches 61-75 116 21 33 9  1   4 25  6  1   24 3  0 .284 .310 .483  .793 
    Pitches 76-90 105 25 33 9  1   8 17  8  0   17 2  1 .314 .360 .648 1.007 
    Pitches 91-105 70 14 24 7  1   4 15  5  0   8  1  0 .343 .377 .643 1.019
    The only time he was any good at all was during Pitches 31-45. Odd, since it came in the middle of the game. Maybe that represents his first shot at the opposing 6-9 hitters.
    Pitches 31-45 were most likely in the 2nd inning, 3rd inning at the very best, but with numbers for pitches 1-30, I'd say more likely 2nd inning, and yeah, I bet those 14 pitches, a lot of the time, were to hitters in the 7, 8, and 9 spots of the batting order, whiich makes this even more gut wrenching.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    Stats by pitch count:

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    Pitches       AB  R  H  2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP  SLG   OPS 
    Pitches 1-15  116 35 38 6  0   8 11  5  0   17 0  1 .328 .355 .586  .942 
    Pitches 16-30 123 17 35 8  1   6 21  10 2   17 0  0 .285 .348 .512  .860 
    Pitches 31-45 112 13 28 4  1   1 13  9  2   20 3  1 .250 .312 .330  .642 
    Pitches 46-60 122 13 43 12 2   9 26  9  2   13 2  0 .352 .403 .705 1.108 
    Pitches 61-75 116 21 33 9  1   4 25  6  1   24 3  0 .284 .310 .483  .793 
    Pitches 76-90 105 25 33 9  1   8 17  8  0   17 2  1 .314 .360 .648 1.007 
    Pitches 91-105 70 14 24 7  1   4 15  5  0   8  1  0 .343 .377 .643 1.019
    The only time he was any good at all was during Pitches 31-45. Odd, since it came in the middle of the game. Maybe that represents his first shot at the opposing 6-9 hitters.

    If he could somehow harness the magic of Pitches 31-45, he could be effective on the mound. Unfortunately, I think Pitches 1-15 and 16-30 are more likely to be the norm.

    I am in favor of moving him to the bullpen, though. Try him at closer, then stick him in mop-up duty. If he's effective, that's a big plus. If not, well, maybe he'll be so miserable he'll opt out of his final year.
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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader
    Pitches 31-45 were most likely in the 2nd inning, 3rd inning at the very best, but with numbers for pitches 1-30, I'd say more likely 2nd inning, and yeah, I bet those 14 pitches, a lot of the time, were to hitters in the 7, 8, and 9 spots of the batting order, whiich makes this even more gut wrenching.

    So bring him out of the pen to face the 7-8-9 type guys all year to pad his stats then ship him off.

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    Re: Random idea - make Milton the closer

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc D
    So bring him out of the pen to face the 7-8-9 type guys all year to pad his stats then ship him off.
    Brilliant!


    I still say we cut our losses and dump him outright or trade him to someone in the division and pay his salary

    At least we can rake off him then
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