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  • Larry Jackson

    0 0%
  • Fergie Jenkins

    22 75.86%
  • Tommy John

    12 41.38%
  • Walter Johnson

    26 89.66%
  • Sad Sam Jones

    0 0%
  • Addie Joss

    11 37.93%
  • Jim Kaat

    12 41.38%
  • Tim Keefe

    10 34.48%
  • Jimmy Key

    0 0%
  • Jerry Koosman

    0 0%
  • Sandy Koufax

    27 93.10%
  • Bob Lemon

    12 41.38%
  • Mickey Lolich

    1 3.45%
  • Dolf Luque

    4 13.79%
  • Ted Lyons

    4 13.79%
  • Juan Marichal

    27 93.10%
  • Rube Marquard

    3 10.34%
  • Dennis Martinez

    2 6.90%
  • Christy Mathewson

    26 89.66%
  • Carl Mays

    3 10.34%
  • Joe McGinnity

    6 20.69%
  • Jack Morris

    11 37.93%
  • George Mullin

    0 0%
  • Tony Mullane

    4 13.79%
  • Don Newcombe

    2 6.90%
  • Hal Newhouser

    13 44.83%
  • Bobo Newsom

    0 0%
  • Kid Nichols

    17 58.62%
  • Joe Niekro

    1 3.45%
  • Phil Niekro

    16 55.17%
  • Jim Palmer

    25 86.21%
  • Milt Pappas

    0 0%
  • Mel Parnell

    0 0%
  • Herb Pennock

    1 3.45%
  • Gaylord Perry

    20 68.97%
  • Billy Pierce

    2 6.90%
  • Eddie Plank

    16 55.17%
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Thread: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers, J-P

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    RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers, J-P

    Starting Pitchers A-I poll remains open until February 8th

    Vote for all STARTING PITCHERS with last names beginning with J-P that you believe should be in the Hall of Fame. This is a multiple-choice poll so you're allowed to vote for more than one player.

    • 19th century (i.e. pre 1903): Need 2/5 support
    • Early Modern (roughly 1903-1945): Need 1/2 support
    • Integration (roughly 1945-1970): Need 5/8 support
    • Post Integration (roughly 1970-present): Need 2/3 support


    Code:
    Player               Innings    ERA+       Era
    Larry Jackson        3,262.2    113    Integration
    Fergie Jenkins       4,500.2    115    Post Integration
    Tommy John           4,710.1    111    Post Integration
    Walter Johnson       5,914.2    146    Early Modern to WWII
    Sad Sam Jones        3,883.0    104    Early Modern to WWII
    Addie Joss           2,237.0    142    Early Modern to WWII
    Jim Kaat             4,530.1    107    Integration
    Tim Keefe            5,047.2    125    19th Century
    Jimmy Key            2,591.2    122    Post Integration
    Jerry Koosman        3,839.1    110    Post Integration
    Sandy Koufax         2,324.1    131    Integration
    Bob Lemon            2,850.0    119    Integration
    Mickey Lolich        3,638.1    104    Post Integration
    Dolf Luque           3,220.1    117    Early Modern to WWII
    Ted Lyons            4,161.0    118    Early Modern to WWII
    Code:
    Player               Innings    ERA+       Era
    Juan Marichal        3,507.1    122    Integration
    Rube Marquard        3,306.2    103    Early Modern to WWII
    Dennis Martinez      3,999.2    106    Post Integration
    Christy Mathewson    4,780.2    135    Early Modern to WWII
    Carl Mays            3,021.1    119    Early Modern to WWII
    Joe McGinnity        3,441.1    121    Early Modern to WWII
    Jack Morris          3,824.0    105    Post Integration
    George Mullin        3,686.2    101    Early Modern to WWII
    Tony Mullane         4,531.1    118    19th Century
    Don Newcombe         2,154.2    114    Integration
    Hal Newhouser        2,993.0    130    Integration
    Bobo Newsom          3,759.3    107    Early Modern to WWII
    Kid Nichols          5,056.1    139    19th Century
    Joe Niekro           3,584.0     97    Post Integration
    Phil Niekro          5,404.1    115    Post Integration
    Code:
    Player               Innings    ERA+       Era
    Jim Palmer           3,948.0    125    Post Integration
    Milt Pappas          3,186.0    110    Integration
    Mel Parnell          1,752.2    125    Integration
    Herb Pennock         3,571.2    106    Early Modern to WWII
    Gaylord Perry        5,350.1    117    Post Integration
    Billy Pierce         3,306.2    119    Integration
    Eddie Plank          4,495.2    122    Early Modern to WWII
    Last edited by Cyclone792; 02-01-2006 at 01:21 AM.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers, J-P

    Best pitcher most people don't know about - Kid Nichols

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/n/nichoki01.shtml

    Also show some love for - Gettysburg Eddie Plank

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/planked01.shtml

    Hall of Famers I didn't pick - Rube Marquard (an easy drop) and Ted Lyons ( a hard one, among other things his CG ratio was nuts - 356 CG in 484 starts).

    Guy who was a lot better than you might have thought (though I still didn't vote for him) - Billy Pierce

    If only he'd have been sober in the early-to-mid 80s - Dennis Martinez, who was dynamite once he sobered up.

    If only he'd have been named Don Luck - Dolph Luque, who took an unreasonably long time to stick in the majors. Didn't log his first full major league season until age 29 and still had a great career.

    Guy for whom you could make a good "fame" case - Don Newcombe

    Damn the statistics, I saw Game Seven of the 1991 World Series - Jack Morris

    Pitched with both hands - Tony Mullane

    Hall of Fame transaction history - Bobo Newsom, on whom Mike Morgan had nothing.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers, J-P

    I'll bump this up ... poll closes in a couple days.

    For those unfamiliar with some of the pitchers, M2's posted some good stuff there on guys that aren't commonly known anymore today. I'll post my ballot up shortly.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers, J-P

    Where's Bob Purkey???
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers, J-P

    All right, what two people didn't vote for Walter Johnson?
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers, J-P

    Walter Johnson = Greatest Pitcher Ever, IMO

    My ballot:

    Fergie Jenkins
    Tommy John
    Walter Johnson
    Addie Joss
    Tim Keefe
    Sandy Koufax
    Bob Lemon
    Dolf Luque
    Ted Lyons
    Juan Marichal
    Christy Mathewson
    Carl Mays
    Joe McGinnity
    Hal Newhouser
    Kid Nichols
    Phil Niekro
    Jim Palmer
    Gaylord Perry
    Billy Pierce
    Eddie Plank

    I got exceptionally liberal and voted for a ton of guys. I could just have easily not voted for guys like Mays, Lemon, Pierce and Luque, but decided if I'm voting for one I might as well vote for them all.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers, J-P

    Morris deserves it, as he was, arguably, the top pitcher in his league not only for the decade of the 80's (full decade), but also that he pitched great ball when it mattered most.

    That 91 WS game is quite possibly the best pitched game of the past 50 years.

    And he looked cool, too.

    And he was tough.

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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers, J-P

    I voted for:

    Jenkins, John, Johnson, Joss, Kaat, Keefe, Koufax, Lemon, Marichal, Mathewson, Mays, McGinnity, Morris, Newhouser, Nichols, P. Niekro, Palmer, Perry, and Plank.


    I thought that Johnson, Mathewson, Koufax, Marichal, Palmer, Perry, Newhouser, and Plank were automatic choices.


    A brief anecdote regarding Walter Johnson:

    A few years ago, I was working on a research project on the history of the local high school basketball team, and I spent a lot of time reading old newspapers in the archives. Anyway, I was reading through papers from the winter months (basketball season) during the 20's, and I noticed that there was a syndicated column called "Ask Walter Johnson". Readers could write c/o their local newspaper, and ask the Big Train questions about baseball. One letter that caught my eye was something along the lines of,

    "Dear Walter,

    What is the best pitch to throw?"

    Walter replied, "I am firmly of the belief that the best pitch when the game is on the line is, and always has been, a good fastball. I would be a better pitcher today if I had relied on my fastball more when I was younger, instead of throwing breaking pitches." I was amazed! Here was a man who is still considered nearly 100 years later to be one of the greatest strikeout artists of all time commenting (earnestly, in my opinion) that he could have been even better than he was if he hadn't become infatuated with the curveball as a young man.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers, J-P

    Excellent anecdote, Big Klu, that's good stuff! Not only do I consider Johnson one of the greatest strikeout pitchers of all-time, I rank him as the greatest pitcher of all-time. To think that he believed he could have been even better had he used that killer fastball of his more often ... wow, just amazing.

    The final results ...

    Code:
    RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers J-P
    
    Player                  % of votes
    Fergie Jenkins        75.86 percent
    Walter Johnson        89.66 percent
    Sandy Koufax          93.10 percent
    Juan Marichal         93.10 percent
    Christy Mathewson     89.66 percent
    Kid Nichols           58.62 percent
    Jim Palmer            86.21 percent
    Gaylord Perry         68.97 percent
    Eddie Plank           55.17 percent
    Nine more guys joined the previous 12 starting pitchers, for a total of 21 now with one more starting pitchers poll to go.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Starting Pitchers, J-P

    Addie Joss not making it is rough. However he did only play 9 years and it was dead ball era, so I understand - but a career era of 1.89 and 236 CG's in less than 300 starts is sick.

    And he rocks in sim leagues.
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