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    Re: Is the Presence of Jim Beattie scaring off some potential GM candidates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis
    Lindner wasn't uninvolved. Lindner was Schott status quo. He only fired Bowden when he had no other choice and then he hires a napping local boy who he feels comfortable won't rock the boat to much.
    That's being pretty uninvolved IMO. Schott was far more active on the day to day operations then Lindner ever was. Lindner was not a baseball person; but hired people he felt would handle that aspect for him.

    Yet he also "meddled" (see Larkin contract).
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    Re: Is the Presence of Jim Beattie scaring off some potential GM candidates?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC
    Lindner was an uninvolved owner. Now Castellini is possibly a meddling one?
    You want a balance, an owner who gives a crap but who won't overrule the baseball people when he sticks his nose where it doesn't belong.
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    Re: Is the Presence of Jim Beattie scaring off some potential GM candidates?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    You want a balance, an owner who gives a crap but who won't overrule the baseball people when he sticks his nose where it doesn't belong.
    As owner you want to see positive results. If not, then you replace the people and bring in others until the results start to swing towards your way.
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    Re: Is the Presence of Jim Beattie scaring off some potential GM candidates?

    Well, I for one don't want to see someone get the job if they are scared of Jim Beattie's position. I want someone who isn't scared even if the odds are stacked against him. There's a lot of things in this job to be scared about. Jim Beattie shouldn't be one of them.
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    Re: Is the Presence of Jim Beattie scaring off some potential GM candidates?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC
    Lindner was an uninvolved owner. Now Castellini is possibly a meddling one?
    Depends on what is meddling.

    http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...90388/1082/SPT
    While the selection of a GM is critical, whoever gets the job is going to have less autonomy than O'Brien had. It's pretty clear Castellini is going to be much more involved in the day-to-day operations than Lindner was.

    Castellini sat in on a meeting with Kullman and the top advisers Thursday as they discussed player personnel. Lindner was not involved at that level.
    Personally I don't care if that's considered meddling, the man has millions of bucks in the team. It's nice to see that he knows where the offices are in the ballpark.

    As for the young guys, sometimes the job isn't right, sometimes you're not right for the job and you know it... it's all conjecture anyway.

    Wren is to be interviewed Monday, I'm thinking he's gonna get the job and Beattie and Kullman stay on as well.

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    Re: Is the Presence of Jim Beattie scaring off some potential GM candidates?

    Good meddler:
    Mark Cuban

    Usually good meddler, but when bad... really bad:
    Larry Lucchino

    Bad meddler:
    George Steinbrenner (if he didn't have the money to pay for his mistakes, he'd be in big trouble.)
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    Re: Is the Presence of Jim Beattie scaring off some potential GM candidates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R
    Well, I for one don't want to see someone get the job if they are scared of Jim Beattie's position. I want someone who isn't scared even if the odds are stacked against him. There's a lot of things in this job to be scared about. Jim Beattie shouldn't be one of them.
    Nothing really more to add to these comments, but I thought they were excellent representation of my thoughts and wanted to see them repeated.

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    Re: Is the Presence of Jim Beattie scaring off some potential GM candidates?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    Depends on what is meddling.

    http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...90388/1082/SPT


    Personally I don't care if that's considered meddling, the man has millions of bucks in the team. It's nice to see that he knows where the offices are in the ballpark.
    I agree. It's his millions, and he's the owner. Anyone here not want to be actively involved/participating in how your investment does?

    I have wholeheartedly approved of what he has done, involving the FO, up to this standpoint.

    I don't know much about Castellini except that he comes from an organization that obviously has some baseball minds and follows a good philosophy. How much he had to do with that, or what influences he had, I don't know.

    But at the least, I feel he has learned something, has gained knowledge and experience on what it takes to be a winner, and brings to this organization (in the form of an owner) something that has been missing for quite some time.

    This organization, especially the management, needs some "meddling" from someone who has knowledge of the game. Is Castellini that guy? We'll see.

    But at least he does have some experience/knowledge, which will enable and equip him, far better then a Lindner, to oversee his FO, and if they are up to the task or are screwing up.
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