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    UC fraternity among those giving up alcohol

    When you read some of the numbers at the bottom of the article it sounds like a good idea.

    'Animal Houses' clean up act

    By Dan Sewell

    Associated Press

    CINCINNATI | Potential pledges to Phi Delta Theta held cans of Coca-Cola during rush week, with no beer kegs in sight. For a date night activity, the fraternity's University of Cincinnati chapter organized a hayride, not a toga party.

    It's an alcohol-free house, part of an effort by a smattering of fraternities nationally to battle student binge drinking while cleaning up the Animal House image of campus Greek life.

    "There's not parties going on all the time, people stumbling over themselves," said Matt Deger, a fourth-year accounting student and a leader of the UC chapter.

    Oxford-based Phi Delta Theta was one of the first national fraternities to go dry, making the move in 2000. But most fraternities have resisted outright alcohol bans, contending that drinking socially is part of college and fraternity life and that it's better to stress education and drinking responsibly than to take away individual choice.

    Out of 70 national fraternities, at least 11 ban alcohol in their campus houses. The Association of Fraternity Advisors says individual chapters in campuses across the country have adopted similar policies, and some 20 percent of fraternity members now live in alcohol-free housing (sororities have been traditionally alcohol-free).

    Some fraternity houses were forced to go dry because of university bans for all campus housing. About a third of universities and colleges now have such policies to combat problem drinking among students.

    The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism says studies link alcohol use to more than 1,700 student deaths (including drinking-related car crashes) a year. Surveys have found that estimates of the number of students who say they have done binge drinking (five or more alcohol drinks in a row for men, four for women) in the prior two weeks have consistently been about 44 percent, despite anti-drinking initiatives.

    There have also been crackdowns on alcohol at sporting events, but much of the alcohol abuse has been associated with fraternities and a culture of alcohol-dominated parties and hazing initiations for pledges.

    "I think you can probably go to about any large campus with a Greek community and look at discipline issues that have involved fraternities, and probably 99 percent of them are based on alcohol," said Edward G. Whipple, vice president for student affairs at Bowling Green State University.

    However, some national fraternities have preferred to stress alcohol education while guarding against underage drinking and alcohol abuse.

    "Generally speaking, the approach is self-governance and personal responsibility, as opposed to an outright ban on alcohol," said Tom Olver, director of communications for Beta Theta Pi, also Oxford-based. He said 16 of the fraternity's 122 chapters nationally have alcohol bans.

    The University of Oklahoma barred drinking in its fraternities and residence halls one year ago, after a Sigma Chi pledge was found dead of alcohol poisoning inside the fraternity house in Norman, Okla.

    The school also can suspend students after the third alcohol-related offense on or off campus, places a variety of restrictions on fraternity rushes, and requires alcohol education for incoming students.

    "I hope that I will never again have the sad duty to discuss the tragic loss of a son or daughter due to alcohol abuse with grieving parents and family members," university President David Boren said when he announced his plan.

    Alcohol abuse study

    Studies have shown the costly toll alcohol abuse has taken on the nation's college campuses. The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism reports these annual estimates based on findings of various studies in recent years of college drinking:

    Some 1,700 college students, ages 18-24, die each year from alcohol-related injuries, including motor vehicle crashes.

    More than 696,000 students are assaulted annually by another student who has been drinking.

    More than 97,000 students are victims of alcohol-related sexual assault or date rape.

    About 25 percent of college students report academic consequences of their drinking including missing class and receiving lower grades overall.

    More than 150,000 students develop an alcohol-related health problem.

    About 11 percent of college student drinkers report that they have damaged property while under the influence of alcohol.

    About 5 percent of four-year college students are involved with the police or campus security as a result of their drinking. An estimated 110,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 are arrested on an alcohol-related charge such as public drunkenness or driving under the influence.
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    Re: UC fraternity among those giving up alcohol

    If you can guess by my screen name (delta chi) i have a bunch to say, but will just leave it at this:

    The quicker alcohol is moved out of the greek system, the faster we (Greeks) will be able to actually fulfill what we are suppose to be doing.
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    Re: UC fraternity among those giving up alcohol

    When I was in school, I was a member of a dry house at OSU. The biggest reason behind it was respect for each other. We lived in a clean house that didn't have beer spilled everywhere, and vomit encrusted into the carpet. We had a garage that was basically treated as the rompus room. Anything went in there, but not in the house. It was a $50 fine for bringing alcohol into the house the first time, the second was expulsion from the fraternity. I don't remember it cutting into any of our social drinking at all. The only people that didn't like it were those that were underage, because they really couldn't go to a bar. I don't think they missed out to often either.
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    Actually, a huge reason a lot of Frats are going dry is because of the liability laws. They don't want some 19 year old getting drunk and then getting sued when that student is in a DUI. Remember the case of the bartender and bar getting sued becuase they served someone too much? That's the reasoning.
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    Liability is the business reason, personal responsibility are the ethical reasons. Even if there wer no law suits involved, whne people get hurt, die or damage their academics, its a valid issue to fight for.

    I have been advising my Fraternity for a number of years and have hammered away at alcohol. I am not always a popular guy with the undergrads because of this, but I would not be able to live with myself if one of these guys - and I care for the all - did something stupid because I didnt do enough to try and prevent it.

    A friend of mine has worked for my international fraternity and has told me the worse day of his life was waking up to a phone call form his boss telling him had to get on a plane because "we have a dead Delta Chi."
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    Just my opinion, but the whole reason I joined a fraternity was to pool my beer money with other guys, have parties and get girls. There's plenty of other ways to intellectually stimulate yourself on campus.

    We always took care of each other, never hazed pledges, etc. If the group is really friends, they won't let someone get to the point of alcohol poisoning. Whenever someone passed out, we always woke them up and made them puke for safety sake.

    I really see no problem with beer in fraternities, but I think the drinking age should be reduced to 18. Better for the kids to learn responsible partying in college than in the real world.
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    College in general has become WAY too easy. People who go through college in a dunken stupor should not be able to still do the work required to obtain a degree. Our higher education system is broken, IMO.
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    Re: UC fraternity among those giving up alcohol

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD
    Actually, a huge reason a lot of Frats are going dry is because of the liability laws. They don't want some 19 year old getting drunk and then getting sued when that student is in a DUI. Remember the case of the bartender and bar getting sued becuase they served someone too much? That's the reasoning.
    I was a Delt (Delta Tau Delta) down at Tulane, and it was exactly that type of lawsuit that shut down our chapter back in the early/mid 70s. When they re-colonized the chapter when I was there, there was a renewed effort to keep the house dry and, at the very least, keep things and events in moderation.

    I'm not much of a drinker, personally, but I recognize that it's going to probably be impossible to sell any large number of people in college on the idea of a completely dry house. 18-22 year olds in college just aren't going to buy that, in the long run. With the way houses are so quickly defined and pigeonholed (the "Jock" house, the "party" house, the "rich kid" house, etc.) it's an uphill battle to get most chapters to do anything that would even have the chance of labeling them the "dork" house.

    The key, with all things in life, is teaching undergrads moderation and understanding their own limitations and how to make responsible choices when it comes to drinking. That's a far more valuable life skill than just banning alcohol and pretending that it isn't a part of life for college students.
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    Re: UC fraternity among those giving up alcohol

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor
    I was a Delt (Delta Tau Delta) down at Tulane, and it was exactly that type of lawsuit that shut down our chapter back in the early/mid 70s. When they re-colonized the chapter when I was there, there was a renewed effort to keep the house dry and, at the very least, keep things and events in moderation.

    I'm not much of a drinker, personally, but I recognize that it's going to probably be impossible to sell any large number of people in college on the idea of a completely dry house. 18-22 year olds in college just aren't going to buy that, in the long run. With the way houses are so quickly defined and pigeonholed (the "Jock" house, the "party" house, the "rich kid" house, etc.) it's an uphill battle to get most chapters to do anything that would even have the chance of labeling them the "dork" house.

    The key, with all things in life, is teaching undergrads moderation and understanding their own limitations and how to make responsible choices when it comes to drinking. That's a far more valuable life skill than just banning alcohol and pretending that it isn't a part of life for college students.

    Most frat guys are labeled dorks around campus, with or without drinking these days. Not saying I agree, just what is said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor
    pretending that it isn't a part of life for college students.
    No one is suggesting it shouldn't be a part of college life. The problem is when academics becomes "part of the college experience" and drinking becomes the primary reason for being there. This is just my personal philosophy, but I think college should be VERY difficult to the point that if your life revolves around partying (as it does for many a college student), then they shouldn't be able to hack the work load. Too many people are graduating these days without being educated, IMO.
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    Re: UC fraternity among those giving up alcohol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric
    Most frat guys are labeled dorks around campus, with or without drinking these days. Not saying I agree, just what is said.
    Thats good, because I tell me guys, I have no use for frat guys, we are Fraternity Men.

    I stole that from a woman we have come in and speak and conventions on how to treat women in your life (not just girlfriends, wives but your mom, co-worker, etc) and such. Her line is always "Ihave no use for Frat Boys, I am only interested in Fraternity men."

    As for joing a fraternity to pool beer money - I never had a problem finding a drink or a party before I joined, so it was never a reason for me.
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    No frats allowed at my school...... good times.

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    Re: UC fraternity among those giving up alcohol

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    No frats allowed at my school...... good times.
    No frats, no sororities, no alcohol, only same sex dorms at my school. And I had a great time.

    I drink. Not a lot, but I am not opposed to having a couple drinks when out for dinner.

    But for the life of me I have never understood why people think they have to drink to have fun. Or to be cool. Which is pretty much the only two reasons college kids drink.

    And I have really never understood why people drink at baseball games. Are you there to watch the game or get drunk?
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    Re: UC fraternity among those giving up alcohol

    Quote Originally Posted by creek14
    No frats, no sororities, no alcohol, only same sex dorms at my school. And I had a great time.

    I drink. Not a lot, but I am not opposed to having a couple drinks when out for dinner.

    But for the life of me I have never understood why people think they have to drink to have fun. Or to be cool. Which is pretty much the only two reasons college kids drink.

    And I have really never understood why people drink at baseball games. Are you there to watch the game or get drunk?
    I drink at baseball games but it's not much. I'm also in college and I don't drink to be cool. I drink to have fun and relax. Play cards and shoot the ****. I think it's a little over generalized that all college kids are running around spilling beer on their shirts and acting like idiots. It happens alot, but many others aren't like that.
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