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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    This is a little off topic, but I was just thinking of something. Remember last December when someone on here reported that the Reds and Angels were close to a deal that would send Dustin Moseley to an AL West team for a right handed pitcher? Everyone was speculating it was John Lackey...it turned out to be Ramon Ortiz.

    Too bad for us that it wasn't Lackey. He had a great year last year - 1.33 WHIP, 3.44 ERA and 199 strikeouts in 209 innings. Our rotation would be in much better shape had Lackey been the righthander instead of Ortiz.

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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    The A's have an expensive 3rd sacker who has more than a few gold gloves.
    True, but Beene's deals are rarely one tiered. I'd expect there would be some additional movement with the deal.
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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed
    I have a feeling it would be Ervin Santana and Howie Kendrick. Just my guess.
    My thought but the last thing the Angels need is a 3B. They have Mcpherson and having followed Wood the consensus seems to be he will end up at 3rd and Aybar will be the SS.

    I see this deal as a non-starter for the Reds anyway(even if it is Colon or Lackey).
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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve
    I'd love to see Howie Kendrick come to the Reds.
    There are a bunch of Angel prospects that I like better than Kendrick who can hit but plays very questionable defense at best, and as a 2B there is no where else to go.
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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball
    The Angels have one of the deepest systems in all of baseball.
    They creatinly have a large number of close to major league ready impact type prospects. They and Arizona seem to have the best group of close to major league ready top prospects.
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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    This has Barry Zito and Oakland written all over it. Look at the Hudson's and Mulder's deals last year. Young and cheaper talent that consisted of some of the better young prospects from the Braves and Cardinals.
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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty
    Look at the Hudson's and Mulder's deals last year.
    Two trades to shore up playoff teasm, obtaining Zito is an ear rings on a pig move for a team as shallow and awash with faults as the Reds are.

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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    Two trades to shore up playoff teasm, obtaining Zito is an ear rings on a pig move for a team as shallow and awash with faults as the Reds are.
    But it would be the first trade during Castanelli's ownership. It would send a message to Reds fans they will do anything to right the ship. Acquiring Zito would be a step in that direction.

    Do I agree that is the way to go? Depends on how Krivsky sees things.
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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    It would send a message to Reds fans they will do anything to right the ship.
    People used to go to the doctor to "bleed" themselves of the sickness they had.

    That's what this "proposal" is the baseball equivalent of.
    Last edited by westofyou; 02-19-2006 at 10:01 PM.

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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    Zito would be worthless to the Reds. One amd done on a team that needs a lot more pitching than just him.
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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    So which way is it? You don't want to trade Dunn or other Reds that could bring in young talent in rebuilding this club and at the same time gain payroll flexibility. Yet others don't want to bring in successful pitchers like Zito because we are several years from contending.

    So the way people are sounding, Dan O'Brien's approach is the way to go.......pay alittle attention to the major league club and keep status quo while take the time rebuilding the club to be a possible contender five years from now.

    (Hey WOY, this isn't directed at you but the nature of the thread.)
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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    DanO built nothing. He had some opportunities and tear it down by trading the likes of Graves, Casey, Jr, Wilson and others when they had value and chose to do nothing.

    Everyone wants a shortcut. Guess what, there aren't any. They have to develop their own pitching because their farm system is so devoid of any real talent they can't afford to trade any productive offensive player because there is no replacement in the minors.

    The last Reds regime made the bed that the current one has to lie in which is they to have to wait until the farm system can produce some semblance of major league pitching.

    Trading away the cheap years of young players for the expensive years of older players is no way to build a foundation for future success.
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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty
    It would send a message to Reds fans they will do anything to right the ship.
    That would show me they are more intested in public opinion then putting a winner on the field. Save the statements for press conferences, not baseball transactions.

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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    Maximize the value of your players by not overpaying for past performances (IE Eric Milton) Build the offense around Dunn and levearge the corner players who are approaching becoming costly into a player who isn't getting paid for something he already did. Chase some on the cusp pitchers and defense up the middle and leave the Zitos and their ilk for teams that are closer to competing.

    The fact is WK said on the radio that the franchise was not as close as the owner thought it was and that part of his job now was helping everybody understand where they are and how long it will take to to turn it around.

    Trades should be looked at assumng that player aquired will be there (be owned by the Reds) to help the team the following 2-3 years, Barry Zito is completely the oposite of that.

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    Re: RUMOR - RUMOR: Kearns' possible destination

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    DanO built nothing. He had some opportunities and tear it down by trading the likes of Graves, Casey, Jr, Wilson and others when they had value and chose to do nothing.

    Everyone wants a shortcut. Guess what, there aren't any. They have to develop their own pitching because their farm system is so devoid of any real talent they can't afford to trade any productive offensive player because there is no replacement in the minors.

    The last Reds regime made the bed that the current one has to lie in which is they to have to wait until the farm system can produce some semblance of major league pitching.

    Trading away the cheap years of young players for the expensive years of older players is no way to build a foundation for future success.
    Here's the problem......Dunn and Griffey's salaries makes up one third of the payroll. There is no way you can be successful when two players are getting that much of the payroll. You would think the Reds would have learned when Larkin and Griffey took up a third of the payroll. Minnesota, Cleveland and Oakland showed that you have to spread the payroll among several players.

    There should be no sacred cows. If you want to do it right, then you put everyone on the trading block and try to get the best packages of young talent in return while gaining payroll flexibility.
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