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    Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    Which player do the Reds need to take his game to the next level the most? For me the answer is: Brandon Claussen.

    Claussen needs to make the same leap in performance that Harang did last year. If his numbers come close to Harangs 2005, then we have the makings of a rotation starting to happen. Wilson will not be with the club in '07, and may not be there this year either. Dave Williams is under contract for this year I believe, but the reds own his rights for a while. Milton... sigh.

    So for me the biggest improvement needs to come from Claussen.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    Kearns. I would also say that as far as "needing" to step up, Eric Milton would be a good candidate.
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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    i kind of agree with kearns as the guy who needs to deliver...lots of potential, which the reds keep telling everyone, but not much has been produced yet...he needs to stay healthy and get the job done, or we need to part ways with him and move on...keeping young talent strictly based on what "might be" as opposed to what "is" seems to hurt this team...

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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    Kearns and Pena
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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    If he can improve to below average - Milton.
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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    We need Kearns, Pena, Encarnacion, Wagner to play to their potential as consistent, healthy ML team starters with large roles on the team.
    We need Dunn to transition from a large role to a team-leading role as an elite runproducer.
    History tells us it is unrealistic to expect for all of these players to take these steps-up, but it is February and one can only hope.

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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread
    We need Dunn to transition from a large role to a team-leading role as an elite runproducer.
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    Dunn Win Shares
    
    2001: 10
    2002: 21
    2003: 13
    2004: 32
    2005: 28
    
    Career WS/162: 25.49
    List of Hall of Fame 1B and/or LF that threw up a 24-27 win shares mark per 162 games: Carl Yastrzemski, Tim Raines (he'll make it), Willie Stargell, Billy Williams, Joe Medwick, Goose Goslin, Ralph Kiner, Zack Wheat, Harmon Killebrew and Willie McCovey

    I'd say those guys above were all pretty elite. Counting only 2004 and 2005, Dunn's averaged 30 win shares per 162 games. That list of hitters reaches legendary.
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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    The fact that Claussen's likely to remain with the team all season makes me select him as the one most needing to step up.

    Milton? Lost cause. I'd be happy if he just stepped out.

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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792
    Code:
    Dunn Win Shares
    
    2001: 10
    2002: 21
    2003: 13
    2004: 32
    2005: 28
    
    Career WS/162: 25.49
    List of Hall of Fame 1B and/or LF that threw up a 24-27 win shares mark per 162 games: Carl Yastrzemski, Tim Raines (he'll make it), Willie Stargell, Billy Williams, Joe Medwick, Goose Goslin, Ralph Kiner, Zack Wheat, Harmon Killebrew and Willie McCovey

    I'd say those guys above were all pretty elite. Counting only 2004 and 2005, Dunn's averaged 30 win shares per 162 games. That list of hitters reaches legendary.
    My hope is that Dunn produce more runs - are win shares a calculation of how many runs Dunn produces?

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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread
    My hope is that Dunn produce more runs - are win shares a calculation of how many runs Dunn produces?
    Win shares is a calculation of a player's total worth, including offensive run production. It is a tool that is far more accurate than the heavily teammate dependent RBI.
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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread
    My hope is that Dunn produce more runs - are win shares a calculation of how many runs Dunn produces?
    Unlike RBIs, Win Shares actually use the RC formula.

    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread
    Runs produced are the sum of runs scored and runs batted in MINUS home runs (because they produce one run, not two).
    That's a decent way of figuring out how much a given player was involved in your team's offense, but it's a deployment metric more than a performance metric. I can tell you without hesitation that Dunn would have scored and driven in more runs had he spent the whole season in the #3 and #4 slots.

    Even so, Dunn's been over 160 two years in a row on that metric. You've got to go back to Dave Parker in 1985-86 to find the last Reds player to do that.

    Others who've done it since then:

    Eric Davis 1987
    Reggie Sanders 1995 (Larkin and Gant may have joined him had the club played a full season)
    Barry Larkin 1996
    Barry Larkin 1999
    Sean Casey 1999
    Greg Vaughn 1999
    Ken Griffey Jr. 2000
    Sean Casey 2004
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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    Milton, Williams, Wilson, Claussen in that order. After that, Wagner, Coffey, then Kearns.

    Even if Kearns struggles, our offense will be good, and our pitching will be bad. That is why I chose all the others in front of him and any other offensive player.

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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    It doesn't matter. 70 win teams need an influx of talent, not someone to step up.
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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    Influx happens when 70 win teams demonstrate they have something to trade. A Pena or Kearns stepping up this year could bring that influx.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: Who is the one player that needs to step up the most?

    I think that any with the Reds presenting themselves and that represent themselves by being titled pitcher, pitching coach or pitching instructor needs to step up. It is way beyond my scope how they have been such underachievers for so long and made it as far as they have to date.


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