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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    And I think Dave Williams (who, by the way, has pitched 334 ML innings) has a chance to be a very good pitcher. You all may think I'm crazy but I really think the guy can be very good for us.
    Why? Just a hunch?
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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    The Reds took a monumentally inept squad and sat on their hands. To quote Bob Boone: "That's some special work."

    Cubs? Reds? Tomato, tomahto. At least the Cubs have a couple of MLB pitchers.

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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    Why? Just a hunch?
    Couple of things...

    1. Remember what LaRussa said? Cardinals manager Tony La Russa is especially high on Williams, calling him one of the NL's best left-handed starters last season...

    2. He's finally healthy (shoulder surgery in 2002). And I think he's just finding his game. He's 27, moving into his prime and has some good ML experience now.

    3. Even if he repeats his 4.41 ERA from last year...with the runs the Reds should score for him...he could win some games.

    4. And, yes, he is better than Milton

    Call me crazy...but let's check back 6 months from now...
    For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism.

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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Quote Originally Posted by max venable
    Call me crazy...but let's check back 6 months from now...
    Well, you're probably crazy, but we're going to have to watch him pitch so it's fine with me if he turns out to be decent. Reds pitching is just something where we're conditioned to expect the worst.
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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    You're crazy..but it's a nice crazy to have this time of year
    Go Gators!

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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    You're crazy..but it's a nice crazy to have this time of year
    What? He's got no shot at being good? Where's the optimism in the room?
    For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism.

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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Quote Originally Posted by max venable
    What? He's got no shot at being good? Where's the optimism in the room?
    Affixed to Claussen, Wagner and Coffey.
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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    Affixed to Claussen, Wagner and Coffey.
    Well, okay...as long as there is optimism.
    For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism.

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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    League average at best.
    Which is what they gave up in Casey.

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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Quote Originally Posted by OldXOhio
    Which is what they gave up in Casey.
    Above avg hug loss though.
    Go Gators!

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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Are we going to have to hear about Womack and his tie to the antichrist the same as Aurilia this year? He sucks, we get it.
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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    Affixed to Claussen, Wagner and Coffey.
    I have no optimism affixed to Coffey. He is horrible, IMO. Claussen, Wagner, and Harang is where my optimism is.
    "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor
    Are we going to have to hear about Womack and his tie to the antichrist the same as Aurilia this year? He sucks, we get it.
    If only the manager got it.
    Go Gators!

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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Which is what they gave up in Casey.
    Casey's peak was well above league average. Williams, OTOH, *might* be able to achieve mediocrity.
    "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

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    Re: Offseason Rankings from THT

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    Casey's peak was well above league average. Williams, OTOH, *might* be able to achieve mediocrity.
    FWIW PECOTA has Casey pegged to get 19.3 VORP and Williams 7.2.

    Casey is set to get 8.5 million and Williams 1.5 (the Reds are paying 1 million bucks to the Pirates too)

    That's $440,414 per point of VORP for Casey and for Williams it comes out to $347,222 per point of VORP (including the extra million for Casey)


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