Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 28

Thread: WMP's Defense in LF

  1. #1
    Member Sea Ray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    15,629

    WMP's Defense in LF

    I've heard Jerry Narron recently talk about Wily Mo Pena and how hard he's going to work on his defense. Well, I have a specific question for Narron that I wish our scribes would ask.

    Will the coaches demand that Pena catch the ball with two hands whenever possible? I sure would. I'd fine the guy for every nonchalant, one handed catch he makes until he shows a proficiency in catching the baseball. He's forced the Reds to treat him like a little leaguer and coach the fundamentals to him. If I see him one handing catches again in 2006 it will tell me two things:

    1) He's not intent on improving his defense

    2) The Reds are not serious about insisting on improved defense from him

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    You know his story Redsland's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Norfolk, VA
    Posts
    7,714

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    He can work on his defense, but he's going to have to hurry, since he leaves for the WBC this week. :thumbdown
    Makes all the routine posts.

  4. #3
    breath westofyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    43,297

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    Will the coaches demand that Pena catch the ball with two hands whenever possible?
    No, todays game employs such large gloves that the use of two hands theory of the day and age of the kid glove is slowly dying out.

    Welcome to the future.

  5. #4
    Member Sea Ray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    15,629

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    No, todays game employs such large gloves that the use of two hands theory of the day and age of the kid glove is slowly dying out.

    Welcome to the future.
    In Wily Mo's case he needs that right hand to help close that big glove

  6. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    4,103

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray
    I've heard Jerry Narron recently talk about Wily Mo Pena and how hard he's going to work on his defense. Well, I have a specific question for Narron that I wish our scribes would ask.

    Will the coaches demand that Pena catch the ball with two hands whenever possible? I sure would. I'd fine the guy for every nonchalant, one handed catch he makes until he shows a proficiency in catching the baseball. He's forced the Reds to treat him like a little leaguer and coach the fundamentals to him. If I see him one handing catches again in 2006 it will tell me two things:

    1) He's not intent on improving his defense

    2) The Reds are not serious about insisting on improved defense from him
    I'd have to say I disagree with this. I can only think of one time where two hands would have helped him and that was when he crashed into the Red Sox RF wall and gave someone a HR basically, I believe Manny actually.

    His problem is not holding on to the ball when it hits his glove, it is literally getting to glove to the ball. Catching with two hands limits your mobility and ability to reach certain plays. I can recall a play last year, I believe in Boston as well, a line drive hit right at him, he didn't even have to move and he tried to catch it with two hands this time and the ball drilled him in the leg. His judging of the fly ball is what is terrible. Eric Byrnes almost looks like he runs good routes to the ball compared to WMP.

  7. #6
    Member Sea Ray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    15,629

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51
    I'd have to say I disagree with this. I can only think of one time where two hands would have helped him and that was when he crashed into the Red Sox RF wall and gave someone a HR basically, I believe Manny actually.

    His problem is not holding on to the ball when it hits his glove, it is literally getting to glove to the ball. Catching with two hands limits your mobility and ability to reach certain plays. I can recall a play last year, I believe in Boston as well, a line drive hit right at him, he didn't even have to move and he tried to catch it with two hands this time and the ball drilled him in the leg. His judging of the fly ball is what is terrible. Eric Byrnes almost looks like he runs good routes to the ball compared to WMP.
    I can remember several times balls hitting his glove and popping out. Catching the ball with two hands is a fundamental taught for generations on baseball fields. I trust that.

  8. #7
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Guelph, ON
    Posts
    16,181

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    I wonder if there's any proven correlation between judging fly balls and the ability to hit a curve. Though vastly different contexts, both are simliar uses of hand/eye coordination, projecting the ball on a curved path through space. With that comes the question, is an inability to do either well a indictment of his coordination, eyesight, or both?

  9. #8
    The Lineups stink. KronoRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    West N. Carolina
    Posts
    55,717

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    He should be working on his D in CF, with JR in left.
    Go Gators!

  10. #9
    Member Sea Ray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    15,629

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick
    I wonder if there's any proven correlation between judging fly balls and the ability to hit a curve. Though vastly different contexts, both are simliar uses of hand/eye coordination, projecting the ball on a curved path through space. With that comes the question, is an inability to do either well a indictment of his coordination, eyesight, or both?
    I've seen very few major league players have the trouble of catching fly balls that WMP does. You'd think hitting major league pitching would be harder than catching fly balls but this guy is really challenged out there. I think he's probably a DH in the long run. Let's hope some AL team agrees

  11. #10
    Let's ride BRM's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Colorado's eastern plains
    Posts
    11,232

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    He should be working on his D in CF, with JR in left.
    Blaspheme!!

  12. #11
    Member Sea Ray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    15,629

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    He should be working on his D in CF, with JR in left.
    I don't know. A guy who has a hard time judging and catching fly balls would be a disaster in CF. I'd rather "hide" him in LF like Kal Daniels.

  13. #12
    Charlie Brown All-Star IslandRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    Melbourne, FL
    Posts
    4,866

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray
    I can remember several times balls hitting his glove and popping out. Catching the ball with two hands is a fundamental taught for generations on baseball fields. I trust that.
    I'm not sure that everything taught to youth ballplayers is applicable at the major-league level. If a major-leaguer has enough trouble judging the ball that he can't be trusted to catch it with those fishing nets they use for gloves nowadays, it's probably as likely that his attempt to use both hands gets the other hand broken.
    For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible

  14. #13
    Harry Chiti Fan registerthis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Posts
    5,872

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    It seems to me (could be wrong on this) that the ability to accurately judge fly balls, or at least a majority of them, is something that could be taught with enough patience and repetitive practice. It's a basic, fundamental skill that all OF'ers must possess, so if the reds are intent on keeping him in the OF, he'd better learn how to do it.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

  15. #14
    Matt's Dad RANDY IN INDY's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Brownsburg, Indiana
    Posts
    15,268

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    Two hands is still a great concept if the ball is hit and centered right at you. Camping under a fly ball, it should be no problem to use two hands. Ground balls in the infield that you can reasonably get in front of and "accept" should be handled with two hands, gator hands, whatever you might call it.

    Where the problem lies is when you are charging hard on a ball in the outfield or infield, or if the ball is hit to your right or left, or even over your head. When you have to extend, the chances of using two hands are slim, and actually limit you from getting full extension. I've seen guys who actually catch the ball better with one hand. Adding the other to the mix totally screws them up. I've always adhered to the theory of "DFW" or "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it," be it hitting or fielding. If a guy is performing well, I don't need to add my "two cents" to it. Let him play.

    I believe there is a time to use two hands. Just not all the time.
    Talent is God Given: be humble.
    Fame is man given: be thankful.
    Conceit is self given: be careful.

    John Wooden

  16. #15
    Matt's Dad RANDY IN INDY's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Brownsburg, Indiana
    Posts
    15,268

    Re: WMP's Defense in LF

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    It seems to me (could be wrong on this) that the ability to accurately judge fly balls, or at least a majority of them, is something that could be taught with enough patience and repetitive practice. It's a basic, fundamental skill that all OF'ers must possess, so if the reds are intent on keeping him in the OF, he'd better learn how to do it.
    Repetition is the key, but it has to be coupled with a player's attitude that wants to put in the time to get better. Going through the motions won't fix it.

    In some cases, there are guys that just can't play defense. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken crap.
    Talent is God Given: be humble.
    Fame is man given: be thankful.
    Conceit is self given: be careful.

    John Wooden


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25