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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    id' take phillips instead of perez or mccracken

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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    I know this isn't going to go down well but the constanting carping of having Womack and Aurilla on the roster is really overdone.

    There is a very good reason why you don't bring in a young talented position player to sit on the bench - look at what happened to WMP. If EE doesn't make the team out of ST then I don't want him sitting on the bench if he can play everyday in AAA. No use him fielding grounders and taking BP everyday with the occassional pinch hit. If EE makes the team then its good to have RA on the bench as he really doesn't need to be in AAA still learning things. Womack on the hand is covering a position which (although people here love him) Freel just can't play everyday. In much the same mould as Randa last year there is a young second baseman who is probably a year away from the the majors. Olmedo and Machado are good defensively but if your going to bring them in to pinch hit you may as well send out the pitcher.

    The 25 man is not the best or most talented 25 players in the REDS system. Its the best 8 position players, the 5 best starting pitchers, 7 relievers and 5 players who suit the needs of the team in game situations.

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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    Womack on the hand is covering a position which (although people here love him) Freel just can't play everyday.
    The point is neither can Womack, his game is weak and his place on the Reds roster means that a better player is losing out and the Reds in turn are losing out.

    Tony Womack came up on turf and had a speed game, he's had 1 above average season since he's moved off SS and even that was borderline good. Now he's 36 years old and on his 6th team in 4 seasons.

    Defending Womack's game and what he can give the Reds in the long term is baseball Gallipoli.

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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    Defending Womack's game and what he can give the Reds in the long term is baseball Gallipoli.
    I think that's down the river from Marietta??
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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    Defending Womack's game and what he can give the Reds in the long term is baseball Gallipoli.
    Womack is an improvement on Freel in that it gives the REDS an adequate everyday 2B for the year. Next year it will hopefully be Bergolla.

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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nugget
    Womack is an improvement on Freel in that it gives the REDS an adequate everyday 2B for the year. Next year it will hopefully be Bergolla.
    By what standard is Womack considered adequate?

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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nugget
    Womack is an improvement on Freel in that it gives the REDS an adequate everyday 2B for the year. Next year it will hopefully be Bergolla.
    Really?

    Based on what metric?

    Does it include the offense lost in the final summation?

    What's adequate?

    In my world Tony Womack doesn't qualify as an adaquate backup much alone a adaquate starting 2nd baseman, what on earth makes him so darn adaquate?

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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    His fielding percentage is about average for the position and his BA is slightly higher than average. His OBP doesn't compare to Freel. But then I have no problem that Freel is a good player but he isn't an everyday player as showed up last year.

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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    His fielding percentage is about average for the position and his BA is slightly higher than average.
    Oh joy, my two favorite metrics.

    Womack vs the league


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    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS
    1993 Pirates      23         -6    1   -6  -1   0  -1  -2.67   -4    0   -2    1   0 -.188 -.330 -.151 -.481 
    1994 Pirates      24          2    3    1  -1   0   0  -2.95    0    1    1    0   0  .059 -.096  .087 -.009 
    1996 Pirates      26          0    7    2   2   1  -1  -3.01    3    3   -4    1   0  .063  .078  .120  .198 
    1997 Pirates      27         27   -1   12  -6   5 -12  -2.02  -31  -20   -5   45   0  .007 -.050 -.016 -.066 
    1998 Pirates      28         21   -3   14  -7   3 -16  -2.59  -39  -26  -24   46  -2  .014 -.067 -.020 -.087 
    1999 Diamondbacks 29         -5   18   -1  -8   6 -17  -2.77  -47  -17  -44   58  -7  .001 -.074 -.019 -.093 
    2000 Diamondbacks 30          4    2    0 -12  10 -15  -2.42  -31  -40  -39   33  -6 -.003 -.062 -.043 -.106 
    2001 Diamondbacks 31          3   -2    0  -7   2 -14  -2.90  -35  -25  -38   20  -3 -.002 -.095 -.032 -.127 
    2002 Diamondbacks 32         -2   10    3  -8   2 -13  -2.25  -19  -17  -29   18  -7  .005 -.070 -.015 -.085 
    2003 Diamondbacks 33        -10   -2  -10  -2   2  -5  -2.30  -16  -15  -15    4  -1 -.031 -.093 -.071 -.164 
         Rockies      33         -7   -3   -8  -3   0  -3  -3.21   -7   -9   -7    2   0 -.079 -.216 -.141 -.356 
         Cubs         33         -1   -3   -2  -1   1  -2  -3.21   -5   -4    2    1  -1 -.033 -.117 -.091 -.208 
         TOTALS                 -18   -8  -20  -6   2 -10  -2.64  -27  -28  -20    7  -2 -.042 -.124 -.089 -.213 
    2004 Cardinals    34         27   17   28  -7   0 -13  -2.47  -32  -18  -37   18  -2  .038 -.052  .008 -.044 
    2005 Yankees      35        -16   -2  -11 -10  -1 -11  -3.12  -30  -18  -12   22  -3 -.019 -.146 -.055 -.200 
         TOTALS                  36   41   23 -72  30  *** -2.54 -294 -206 -254  268 -31  .003 -.076 -.026 -.102

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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    Womack was easily the worst position player in all of baseball last year.
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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan
    Womack was easily the worst position player in all of baseball last year.
    Really, what more needs to be said? a guy off the street could do just as good a job.
    Go Gators!

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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    Really, what more needs to be said? a guy off the street could do just as good a job.

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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    I think you all might be a bit surprised at how well Womack is going to play this season.

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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMo
    I think you all might be a bit surprised at how well Womack is going to play this season.
    Welcome to the board Mr. Womack.
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    Re: Would you take a flyer on Brandon Phillips?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMo
    I think you all might be a bit surprised at how well Womack is going to play this season.
    If Womack matches the best season of his career he is still worse than Freel. So I could really care less if Womack surprises because he stinks and should not be getting at-bats. I don't want him to surprise anyone because it would mean we are wasting at-bats on the guy.


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