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    Womack's D

    One of the reasons Tony Womack is here has to be because of his defense (I hope considering his offensive abilities). But yesterday it sounded like had no idea what he was doing out there. He couldn't reach playable balls and dropped a catchable soft-line-drive (this is all according to Marty and Joe who were very upset about his play). Then I go to the Enquirer web site to see pictures and I see this from a run-down play.

    I know it is only March 6. But these are plays that have to be made. Hopefully he turns it around soon or Freel is starting.
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    I have no problem with Womack being on the team if he proves that he deserves it. Hopefully management will be willing to pay him to go home if it proves that he doesn't deserve to be here on merit. This club doesn't need more leaders, and veteran presence doesn't make a bad team good.

    As of right now, I think Womack's greatest contribution could be as fodder for Marty...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51
    I know it is only March 6. But these are plays that have to be made. Hopefully he turns it around soon or Freel is starting.
    I'm all in favor of Freel starting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51
    One of the reasons Tony Womack is here has to be because of his defense
    Womack is a below average defensive player at every position he might play, that is why Woemack is less than zero.

    As John McKay might have said about him - He makes up for his lack of offense with his poor defense.

    The title of this thread is an oxymoron.
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    Womack will not make the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    As John McKay might have said about him - He makes up for his lack of offense with his poor defense.
    Woemack is the rare breed of player that combines poor offense with poor defense. But hey, he's fast and can bunt!!

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    Proof that there is no 'I' in team and no 'D' in Womack.
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    It appears one of our local columnists already has a case of man-love for Womack.

    http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs....60336/1035/SPT

    Best bet at second
    Womack has winning history

    Column by The Post's Lonnie Wheeler

    SARASOTA, Fla. - Of the 62 players in the Reds training camp, all but two lefties and a veteran catcher, it seems, are trying to win the starting second-base job. The smart money is on Tony Womack.

    Other than an extra outfielder spot, and maybe the bunt sign, it's about the only thing to be determined here. But the suspense is killing no one.

    It appears that the youngest candidates, Ray Olmedo and William Bergolla, aren't serious candidates. Rich Aurilia, who finished last season playing well at second, has started one Grapefruit game at third and another at shortstop. Duty could call him anywhere, as it so often does Ryan Freel. At 35, Frank Menechino has been a regular only once in his eight American League seasons.

    Womack is a year older, and more thoroughly traveled and, it would seem, more thoroughly considered. His qualifications include running and winning, in either order.

    In 2001, he started for the Arizona team that somehow won the World Series. He also started for the Cardinals when they went to the Series in 2004, and has been to the playoffs on three other occasions in the past five years, including last season with the Yankees.

    All of this makes Womack, at 5 feet 9, sort of a sawed-off Reggie Sanders, with dirtier trousers. Less the home runs, of course. His last one was two Julys ago against the Reds' Todd Van Poppel, who never met a batter he couldn't turn into Harmon Killebrew.

    There's one more thing Womack doesn't much of, which makes him persona non productive among the statistically fashionable. For all of the running he does - three straight times during the late '90s, he led the National League in stolen bases - he doesn't walk much.

    "People just keep throwing stats in your face - like, this guy has a better on-base percentage," said Womack in the Reds' spring training clubhouse, where he dresses between Menechino and Jacob Cruz on Roster Spot Row. "Who cares about on-base percentage? It's a matter of where you go at the end of the year. I haven't been home after the end of the year in five out of the last seven years, and I don't plan on going this year.

    "I don't play for those people. I play for me, and I play to help my team win and go to the postseason and become champions."

    When Dan O'Brien traded for Womack in December, the word was that, like Freel, the veteran would provide speed and versatility, serving in as many as five spots. Feistiness wasn't mentioned, but Womack's large supply of it has him swinging hard for second base, with at least temporary disregard for other positions.

    "I'm not an outfielder. I'm not a utility guy," he stated, in spite of having been both at various times, as well as a shortstop. "I'm just trying to win the second base job, and I don't think about anything else. I'll only think about something else if I don't win the job."

    He won the same job with the Yankees last year, then, batting only .249, lost it to publicized rookie Robinson Cano. Womack was then recast as a general fill-in, but it failed to change his own sense of role.

    "That's just the Yankees," he said. "They do whatever they want to do. Unfortunately, I was the odd man out.

    "The Yankees took the year away from me, basically. That's how I felt. They took the year away, and it could have been done differently. I just had to deal with it. I dealt with it, and I'm here now and I'm smiling every day."

    There's a pretty evident reason for that. Manager Jerry Narron's kind of player - a thinking veteran who handles his situations - matches up nicely with the scouting report on the little Virginian. It's probably no coincidence that Narron has already deployed Freel and Womack together at the top of his lineup.

    If that would occur during the regular season, it would place Freel at third base or in the outfield. It would also tandem two breakneck players who are capable of stealing 100 bases between them.

    "The Marlins did, it," Womack observed. "They had two speed guys (Juan Pierre and Luis Castillo) at the top of the big boys.

    "Speed kills. You can't teach it. It makes it easier for the big boys below us. They don't have to worry about the 3-run homer all the time. Just manufacture a run and make it easier for the big boys to swing the bat. If it goes out, it goes out; but if it doesn't, we still have a chance to score a run."

    The Reds last year scored runs in greater number than any other National League team; but it didn't follow that they, therefore, possessed the league's best offense. They were a big-bang team that could be too easily subdued on days when the balls weren't clearing the walls. The runs they scored were not win-effective.

    Womack, on the other hand, has been that, if nothing else.

    And there's an opening at second base. Do the math.
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    Anyone else like a sip of the DanO kool-aid?
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    There are so many things wrong with that article I don't know where to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRM
    There are so many things wrong with that article I don't know where to start.

    no kidding.
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    oh

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    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Chip, you think that's man-love?

    Wheeler throws out the OBP thing, lets Womack hilariously attempt to rebut, lets him get all Nerolike delusional about his role, etc.

    Then he sarcastically states the factoid-plus-opinion about the offense, interjecting that, "Womack, on the other hand, has been that, if nothing else." Driving home the fact that the guy's been on good teams but basically sucks. Then he acknowledges that the guy will likely start anyway.

    Personally, I thought it was a brilliantly done piece with a great double meaning. Read it again.

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    "who cares about on base percentage?"

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    Womack will make the team, he's a proven major leaguer and all that.

    This organization has a weird fixation with past success.
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