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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/op...=1&oref=slogin

    Almost Famous

    By JOHN THORN
    Published: March 12, 2006

    WHO'S in? Who's out? Who should be barred at the door? The Baseball Hall of Fame has been a lightning rod for outrage these past two weeks, with attendant confusion about the currency by which one obtains sporting immortality. First came the uproar over the Hall's election of 17 dead obscurities of African-American baseball while neglecting Buck O'Neil, who at 94 is the living symbol of the Negro Leagues and, since his star turn in Ken Burns's documentary "Baseball," a national hero.

    Now come the calls for Barry Bonds to have his records stripped, his carcass flayed and his path to the Hall blocked because of revelations or allegations (depending upon one's point of view or, it has been suggested, race) that he has for years been souping up his engine with substances dangerous to his own health as well as that of pitchers.

    Buck O'Neil is a modest man of high character whose playing statistics evidently fell short of immortality no matter that it was the coattails of his celebrity that the fortunate 17 rode to their newfound glory. The shimmer of statistics, which the Hall's specially appointed committee on Negro League baseball had spent years in excavating, appeared to have blinded the electors to the attribute that should have been their beacon: fame.

    Barry Bonds is, by news media consent, a selfish lout whose unparalleled statistics may now be dismissed as the product of weak character and brazen swindle. He wanted not merely to be good or great, Sports Illustrated tells us; he wished to be a god. Many fans, including many who might occasionally reach for the Viagra, are angry with him because he may have tinkered with performance enhancers. Baseball moralists point to his alleged flouting of the marital and tax codes. Mellow enthusiasts of the game who might overlook a little marijuana smoking by their heroes can still object that his nonrecreational drugs endangered baseball's integrity.

    But all who are down on Bonds right now are united in this: they believe that he is a cheat, and they know that they feel cheated. Whether he has broken baseball's law or that of the land, he has exposed their credulity, their belief that in baseball, if nowhere else in America, life is fair.

    O'Neil and Bonds both could play, and the history of the game cannot be told without them. O'Neil's absence from last week's list of the newly notable raises questions not about the man but about the institution. In Bonds's case, if the current Ox-Bow gang prevails and he proves to be legislated or blackballed out, the Hall will be seen to be not about fame, or merit or proficiency, but scorn.

    My personal Hall of Fame includes all the best players, without ex post facto point deductions for violating the Volstead Act, the Sherman Act or the All Around Bad Actor Act; Gaylord Perry and Whitey Ford's admitted cheating will not displace their plaques from my walls, and Bonds's will be there too. I recognize, however, that the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum is sensitive to constituencies while I am not.

    Baseball itself is a vibrant anachronism, the museum for our archaic and most endangered values. We expect Cooperstown to embody the qualities we believe made America great and to rectify injustices in the game, even those long past cure, like the color bar.

    Yet the Hall operates, like Augusta National, as a private club. Within the confines of civil law, it may admit or bar whom it pleases by whatever electoral mechanism. It may include questionable choices like Rick Ferrell, George Kelly and Warren Giles; it may exclude the arguably more deserving Ron Santo, Dick Allen and Bert Blyleven. It may create rules by which Joe Jackson is banned for life and unforgiven thereafter. It may dismiss the hobgoblin of consistency by inducting Alex Pompez, a numbers kingpin and mobster, while holding Pete Rose at arm's length.

    As mature adults, the rest of us ought not to be upset by what this august institution does and yet we are. We take special pride when one of our favorites wins a plaque, the Good Hallkeeping Seal of Approval, thus confirming our good taste as well as our illusions about the golden age, when giants walked the earth.

    It is the fate of Buck O'Neil and Barry Bonds to form bookends around the Fat Guy, the one we pretend to ignore in the current controversy. Babe Ruth will always be the greatest of all baseball players, not for his statistics but for his aura and his era. Ruth may have been better than any baseball player ever was or will be (though I think not), but it defies reason to claim that his opposition was likewise better than any since.

    African-Americans never graced the same field as Ruth; had they been allowed to do so, many white players would have lost their positions, the overall level of competition would have risen, Ruth's statistical dominance would have narrowed, and many players from the golden age now in the Hall would instead be recalled only by their statistical entries in the baseball encyclopedias. Buck O'Neil and the 17 he elevated to fame would all have been in the Hall long ago. And Willie Mays or Hank Aaron ... or Barry Bonds ... might now be seen as the greatest baseball player who ever lived.

    John Thorn is the editor of "Total Baseball."

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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...p-339001c.html

    BY T.J. QUINN
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    Bud Selig is expected to announce next week that he is beginning a formal investigation into Barry Bonds' steroid use, opening the door to possible sanctions against the embattled slugger.

    The Daily News reported yesterday that the commissioner had decided on his course of action and would likely announce an investigation in the near future, although Selig still has not decided on the details. Selig did not return calls for comment yesterday, but sources said he was still deliberating on whether to appoint an outside investigator or have Major League Baseball officials run the probe.

    "The point is, he's going to look into it," a high-ranking MLB official said.

    Also yesterday, U.S. Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.), one of several members of Congress to introduce anti-steroid legislation last year, issued a press release saying that he had written Selig a letter asking how the commissioner planned to handle the Bonds controversy.

    Selig's anger with Bonds goes beyond recent allegations that he used hardcore steroids knowingly and before he ever met Victor Conte and the staff at BALCO labs. As the Chicago Tribune reported, Selig met with Bonds two years ago and said if Bonds had anything else to confess, he wanted to know about it then. Bonds reportedly told the commissioner that he would have nothing to worry about, and Selig warned Bonds that he would deal with him more harshly if it turned out he was not telling the truth.

    Baseball officials told the Daily News a year ago they were monitoring Bonds' legal troubles, including an ongoing federal investigation into perjury and tax evasion charges, but that investigation did not extend into his history of steroid use. The new investigation would be an active quest to get information about exactly what Bonds may have used and when.
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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    You know, as much as I think Bonds is a dirtbag, this really isn't fair.

    If MLB is going to investigate Bonds, they have to investigate McGuire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Brady Anderson, etc and the whole alleged steroids era.

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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker
    You know, as much as I think Bonds is a dirtbag, this really isn't fair.

    If MLB is going to investigate Bonds, they have to investigate McGuire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Brady Anderson, etc and the whole alleged steroids era.

    I agree about McGwire and Sosa. Palmeiro, we know about. He can claim it was a one time accidental thing all he wants, nobody will buy it now. As for Brady Anderson, not sure how important he is to the history of the sport. I do feel that this issue with Bonds will only be the tip of the iceberg, as it should be.
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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    I watched the movie 61* again Sunday night, and it made me angry now, after seeing what all Maris went through in the 1961 season, and how today's players cheated to move past him and didn't appear to even feel bad about it. Seeing McGwire hug the Maris family is about enough to make me sick.
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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

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    A suspension, however, is not likely in the near term, two league sources told ESPN's Pedro Gomez. The league has no grounds for discipline, the sources said, although that could change if the government indicts Bonds on perjury or tax evasion charges.
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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds Nd2
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    A suspension, however, is not likely in the near term, two league sources told ESPN's Pedro Gomez. The league has no grounds for discipline, the sources said
    And that has been my position on this whole ordeal. MLB knew this was going on and looked the other way for years, refusing to address the problem or enact any rule changes (which would have gotten stiff opposition from the union anyway) - and it has brought us to where we are today.

    Plain and simple - during those suspected years, what rules was Bonds, or any of these other guys, breaking? I don't se how they can enact a rule, and then retroactively go back and nail these guys. I just don't see it happening.

    although that could change if the government indicts Bonds on perjury or tax evasion charges.
    They could discipline him on those charges, but not steroid usage. Again - under what existing rules THEN?
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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    I don't know what the big fuss is about. Gaylord Perry threw spit balls and Ty Cobb was a racist.

    Big deal.

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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    GAC...they dont have to make a rule retroactive...it was already there. Steroids were illegal but not tested for. Sorry if this has been mentioned already, i havent read the entire thread.

    On June 7, 1991 Fay Vincent sent a memo to all teams reminding them about the Drug Policy. If you look at the second paragraph under the title Major League Baseball's Drug Policy (page 2) it states:

    "This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs and controlled substances, including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possesion of the drug does not have a prescriptions"

    If you go on to read it says that players are not aloud to take any illegal drugs and that sentence from above states that steroids are considered illegal. The memo goes on to say that the drugs that will be tested for are: cocaine, marijuana, amphetamines, opiates and phencyclidine. In an interview with Vincent in Nov. 2005 he said at the time we believed the cocaine problem in the MLB was a lot larger than the steroid problem. That is why steroids were not to be tested for. So lets not mistake testing for steroids in 2002 as the point when it was deemed to be illegal.

    All of this became became popular in an ESPN article a few months ago so sorry if it has already been discussed. But I believe it puts the myth that "Bonds never broke a rule" to an end. If enough evidence came be gathered against Bonds or any player then that would take the place of a positive drug test for me and hopefully Bud too.

    Here is a link to a copy of the 1991 memo:

    http://www.businessofbaseball.com/do...on_Program.pdf
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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan
    I watched the movie 61* again Sunday night, and it made me angry now, after seeing what all Maris went through in the 1961 season, and how today's players cheated to move past him and didn't appear to even feel bad about it. Seeing McGwire hug the Maris family is about enough to make me sick.
    I've thought several times in the last few weeks of the night McGwire hit HR #62 in 1998 and then hugged the Maris family. I thought that the Maris family behaved graciously throughout the 1998 season. I wonder what they think now.
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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaknb8k
    All of this became became popular in an ESPN article a few months ago so sorry if it has already been discussed. But I believe it puts the myth that "Bonds never broke a rule" to an end. If enough evidence came be gathered against Bonds or any player then that would take the place of a positive drug test for me and hopefully Bud too.

    Here is a link to a copy of the 1991 memo:

    http://www.businessofbaseball.com/do...on_Program.pdf
    Is it an enforceable rule if it wasn't part of the Collective Bargaining Agreement though? The recent penalties for steroid use included in the CBA is the first time such a thing has been mentioned. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Selig could put forth a memo stating that a player couldn't wear black shoes on Saturday or risk suspension, and it wouldn't be enforceable since it wasn't part of the CBA.
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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    I picked up the book yesterday and read about 50 pages last night. It's very well written and so far, I would recommend it if you are interested in the Balco fiasco or steriods in athletics in genereal.

    anyone else pick it up?
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    Re: Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use

    Sorry to be dragging this up again, but I keep meaning to post this...when this all came up I gathered up my thoughts on the steroid controversy (some of which were spurned by this thread) and tried to put them in more coherent and soapbox form. It's not a research piece, just an editorial-type thing. It is here if anybody wants to read it:

    edit: I got the address wrong, it is actually here
    www.theapollocreed.blogspot.com


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