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    Re: Quiet on the WMP front.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone
    The timing really is poor, but I don't see pitting the US against all others for a "true" world series is the answer. Teams play all season for a chance at the golden ring, The World Series; it's the Super Bowl of baseball. Otherwise, what is the reward at the end of the season?
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    TB, the WS is the ultimate prize. However, a number of other sports have "multiple" championships. In Soccer you have the league championship (in each country), a country "cup" (such as the copa del rey in Spain) champions cup (for league champions), UEFA (for the best few of each league) plus assorted country championships (European Cup, World Cup), etc. I'm probably missing a few.

    The point is that everyone loves to win. Not everyone can win the WS. So, you open up other possibilities and keep fans interested.
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    Re: Quiet on the WMP front.

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper
    TB, the WS is the ultimate prize. However, a number of other sports have "multiple" championships. In Soccer you have the league championship (in each country), a country "cup" (such as the copa del rey in Spain) champions cup (for league champions), UEFA (for the best few of each league) plus assorted country championships (European Cup, World Cup), etc. I'm probably missing a few.

    The point is that everyone loves to win. Not everyone can win the WS. So, you open up other possibilities and keep fans interested.
    Yes, I realize that the WS is the ultimate prize, but I failed miserably at getting my point across. Maybe I can word it better this time.

    If WMP (as an example) plays all year for the Reds, and the Reds get to the WS... does WMP (and FeLo, etc.) go off and play for their respective countries in the WS leaving the Reds high and dry to compete against them in that WS?

    Or, are you saying that non-American players would not be allowed to play on American teams because the WS would be comprised of the best teams from every country?

    Or am I just completely missing what redsmetz was trying to say?
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    Re: Quiet on the WMP front.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone
    Yes, I realize that the WS is the ultimate prize, but I failed miserably at getting my point across. Maybe I can word it better this time.

    If WMP (as an example) plays all year for the Reds, and the Reds get to the WS... does WMP (and FeLo, etc.) go off and play for their respective countries in the WS leaving the Reds high and dry to compete against them in that WS?

    Or, are you saying that non-American players would not be allowed to play on American teams because the WS would be comprised of the best teams from every country?

    Or am I just completely missing what redsmetz was trying to say?
    No...I'm the one who isn't reading the posts well. Sorry.

    WS winner vs. ROW (Rest of World). Another concept drawn from soccer where the World cup champion plays an exhibition against a selection from the Rest of the World.

    This would be an entirely different concept.
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    Re: Quiet on the WMP front.

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper
    WS winner vs. ROW (Rest of World). Another concept drawn from soccer where the World cup champion plays an exhibition against a selection from the Rest of the World.
    But would this be fair to the WS winner? That team would have to play without their international players as they would be with the ROW team.

    And who would fill their roster spots on the WS winner's roster? That team, depending on how many of its players are on the ROW team, would most certainly be depleted (or weaker) because of it.

    I suppose the WS winner could stay intact... but then that wouldn't be fair to their international players.

    I don't like that idea.
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    Re: Quiet on the WMP front.

    I just now read the Chipper Jones thread elsewhere on this board, and I think I agree with him regarding the timing of the world games. Give the players a couple of weeks breather while keeping them in baseball shape and then proceed with the games.

    I concur that the Series winner playing straight up does pose a problem with international players (now at what about 35% or more?). And would Japan do the same thing? I sort of like the "All Star" format of the teams' compositions. I like Jones' thoughts on this.

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    Re: Quiet on the WMP front.

    Most soccer leagues also demote their worst teams to lower tiers and bring up the best teams up to the best league. It's organized in a fundamentally different way.

    Personally, I'd rather see a tournanet bracket style arrangement with 3 game series rather than round robin play. The only problem there would be unscientific seeding, but I think it would make more sense.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.


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