Curious of what the majority thinks.
Like the trade
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Curious of what the majority thinks.
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Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
If this was the best we could do we should have kept him.
I'm not to thrilled about it right now.
That could change.
"And the fact that watching him pitch is like having someone poop on your soul." FCB on Gary Majewski
I am a HUGE Wily Mo fan. That said, I hate this trade, obviously. I lose Larkin, Casey, and now Pena in the last few seasons and gain nobody to be a fan of. I guess Womack is likeable if he performs well...
I don't know what to say. I have bought my Opening Day tickets already, and was looking forward to the re-building of this organization and tradition that I love. I am forever going to be a Reds fan, but man, it's really sad to lose a player that you always knew has "it".
Bronson Arroyo? Heh, whatever. Not the player I'd want in exchange for one of my favorite players. There is a reason Red Sox fans are loving this. People aren't blind. WMP is young, and has a nice career ahead of him.
All of this said, I obviously understand why this was done. Hitting for pitching...that's fine. I just wonder why it couldn't have been Austin Kearns to be dumped for pitching. What has Kearns proved that Pena hasn't?
My feelings excatly. I feel cheated.Originally Posted by uks2h
My reading of fans' reactions on the Boston Globe website shows them to be as divided as Reds fans.Originally Posted by uks2h
Your loyalties are divided if you're looking at Womack as your next Red to like.... Larkin was old, it was his time to go; Casey was getting old and way too expensive for his lack of production, time for him to go too; and while I like WMP, we have a strength in OF and moving an OF for pitching just makese way too much sense in my book. As for Womack being likeable if he performs well, you're gonna hate him, b/c he's never performed well his entire career!Originally Posted by uks2h
Hmm...I think Larkin should have gotten a final year to be a dugout leader...Casey was overrated, but we traded him for DAVE WILLIAMS???...Wily Mo Pena I can understand trading, but I would much rather trade Kearns who is UNPROVEN year after year...but let's say Pena is the only option to trade...why do we trade him for a 33-33 career pitcher who will just be another Milton and might have our club giving up more homers than any club in history? Someone needs to go back and look at Arroyo's games before they automatically love him for being in the World Series.Originally Posted by Highlifeman21
I think the trade for Arroyo was a good move for this year. I think he will get more wins for us than what Pena would have. I also loved Wily Mo Pena, but he never got to his potential. You always saw flashes of his potential, but not all the time. Plus right now we have some great outfielders and could afford to give up Pena. And in the mean time we got a good pitcher that can start in our pitching staff. I would grade this trade as a C+.
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Originally Posted by uks2h
IIRC, Larkin got that final year to be a dugout leader. He decided before the 2004 season that it would be his last. It wasn't like he decided to hang em up during the 2004, the decision had already been made.
Dave Williams pitches, Sean Casey does not. We need pitchers. Can Williams really pitch all that much worse that Milton or the rehabbed Wilson? Simple answer: no.
Kearns' career numbers are better than WMP's, so bye bye #26, hello #61.
Arroyo for his career is almost 50-50 FB to GB, so I'm not sure why you're convinced he's gonna give up 40+ HR.
I don't love Arroyo for the fact that he's been in the WS, I love him for the fact that he pitches and steps into be our #2 arm right now behind Harang.
This team made sense for both teams. Boston had a surplus in pitching, we had a surplus in inconsistent OF that like to be free swingers.
I'm definately less than pleased . So its just hard to get excited about a 29 year old .500 (33-33) pitcher with a lifetime 4.59 era. Giving up more hits 611 than innings pitched 588 doesn't excite me either.
But hopefully he'll give the Reds 200+ innings with an era in the 3.80-4.15 range. Just think Wily Mo Pena was worth a bit better return.
The more I think about the deal, the more I like it.
Call it cautious, but I like the deal.
"Strickland Propane... Taste the meat, not the heat." - Hank Hill
That he can make consistent contact, not to mention play some good defense perhaps?
Pitching is very thin. Given the market, I think this was a good trade. WMP has explosive potential, but let's face the fact that we can give up plenty of offense for anything approaching decent pitching. Arroyo isn't Cy Young material, but he is more than adequate to get the job done with teh run support he will likely get. We managed to make a trade that improved our team and didn't break the bank.
The last two seasons Arroyo has given up 60 more air outs than ground outs. He is a contact pitcher. He will be pitching in GABP. Its going to get real ugly.