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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

    What I find astounding is that Narron's a former catcher trying to improve his team defense on the corners. Let's say he's right about the basic defensive merits of Pena, Dunn and Hatteberg (though I don't think he is), does that really do much to change the defensive ability of this franchise?

    We're talking marginal improvement at best in each case. Meanwhile there's glaring defensive problems up the middle that seemingly get paid no attention. It's like making a sandwich with the lunch meat on the outside I tell you.
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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    We're talking marginal improvement at best in each case. Meanwhile there's glaring defensive problems up the middle that seemingly get paid no attention. It's like making a sandwich with the lunch meat on the outside I tell you.
    Do you think the Reds have the worst "projected" up the middle defense in MLB with Lopez, Womack, and Junior?

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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

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    Do you think the Reds have the worst "projected" up the middle defense in MLB with Lopez, Womack, and Junior?
    Yep, and with a bullet.
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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

    I like the idea of trading for a rangy outfielder such as Gathright or Young. If Junior isn't willing to move, part of his range loss could be compensated by sticking a true centerfielder in left until Junior, Narron or both realize it's the best option available.

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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

    What's the real issue here with moving Griffey to a corner? Is the front office just afraid to confront him with it or do they really believe he is more of an injury risk in LF?

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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

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    What's the real issue here with moving Griffey to a corner? Is the front office just afraid to confront him with it or do they really believe he is more of an injury risk in LF?
    I believe they feel that the starting and stopping required in left or right is an injury risk. That being, that in center you are allowed to roam free a little more, not having to worry about walls to your left or right.
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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

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    Do you think the Reds have the worst "projected" up the middle defense in MLB with Lopez, Womack, and Junior?
    I don't think Junior is as bad as a lot of folks on here do in CF, but yes, I agree thats its the worst up the middle D in MLB.

    And to make matters worse, I think the right side of the infield (with Womack and Hatteburg) is not only the worst defensive tandem but also the worst offensive tandem in MLB.
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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Puffy
    That being, that in center you are allowed to roam free a little more
    unfortunately he isn't capable of roaming very far.
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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM
    Is the front office just afraid to confront him with it or do they really believe he is more of an injury risk in LF?
    He's an injury risk every time he steps out of the dugout.
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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

    If we decide that Griffey is untradeable, what do you do with him?

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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM
    If we decide that Griffey is untradeable
    Griffey gets to decide that.
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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM
    What's the real issue here with moving Griffey to a corner? Is the front office just afraid to confront him with it or do they really believe he is more of an injury risk in LF?
    It's more the latter than the former. When Kullman was interim GM he said as much.
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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    Griffey gets to decide that.
    I know. So what do you do with him? Just leave him in CF and hope for the best?

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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R
    It's more the latter than the former. When Kullman was interim GM he said as much.
    They may think it, but I tend to think that's BS. You don't start and stop any more frequently in an OF corner than you do in CF. In fact you do it less because, unlike a CF, you aren't on your horse for every flyball hit to the OF.

    Also, a shorter run means you don't get up to full speed, which means you have a less violent stop

    Beyond all of that, Jr.'s defense is so bad (he's easily the worst CF in MLB) that the reward for shifting him out of CF overwhelms whatever minimal increase there might be on injury risk. Frankly I think it's a matter of the organization not allowing itself to even think about how much its big money player has lost in the field.
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    Re: If you're going to trade for pitching, how about some defense?

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    Just leave him in CF and hope for the best?
    I think they are afraid to even approach him about it.
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