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    What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Ok. After the events of yesterday (whether you like them or not), where the heck does Denorfia fit it? Will he make the roster? As I stated in a previous thread, I would love to see him in the outfield now and keep Dunn at first. That would keep Hatteberg on the bench at least, and as for Womack, maybe he'll get lost on the way home from Florida. Or, does anyone know how to contact Tonya Harding? Perhaps she could hook us up with a few...um...resources...

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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Quote Originally Posted by scounts22
    Ok. After the events of yesterday (whether you like them or not), where the heck does Denorfia fit it?
    at AAA. Seems like he really isn't in the mix
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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    The Reds are missing a big opportunity if they DON'T start Denorfia. He would really shore up the outfield defense (thus helping the pitching), and would also be a contributor with the bat. (something that I don't thnk Hatteburg will do). It seems like a no-brainer!

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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Quote Originally Posted by roby
    The Reds are missing a big opportunity if they DON'T start Denorfia. He would really shore up the outfield defense (thus helping the pitching), and would also be a contributor with the bat. (something that I don't thnk Hatteburg will do). It seems like a no-brainer!
    Doesn't it though. Which makes you wonder about the quality of the "brains".
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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    I am really, really confused by this.

    Anyone who read the WMP trade thread knows where I stand as far as the trade goes. But the corresponding moves--putting Dunn back in LF and starting Hatteberg at first--are really confusing.

    Did the Reds not spend the entire winter telling us how their long term plans for Dunn were for him to be at first base?

    Was not Hatteberg sigend to be a cheap, veteran backup--with the full knowledge that he would not be starting?

    Has Denofria not shown this spring that he is capable of playing at the ML level?

    Does this franchise have a complete aversion to offering Freel any semblance of stability at one position?

    I am very perplexed by this whole turn of events. I can't se ethem sticking with Hatteberg for very long, but why he's considered a viable option at all is completely mystifying to me.
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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    Did the Reds not spend the entire winter telling us how their long term plans for Dunn were for him to be at first base?
    "deja vu all over again". Makes the organization look schizophrenic.
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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    I am really, really confused by this.

    Anyone who read the WMP trade thread knows where I stand as far as the trade goes. But the corresponding moves--putting Dunn back in LF and starting Hatteberg at first--are really confusing.

    Did the Reds not spend the entire winter telling us how their long term plans for Dunn were for him to be at first base?

    Was not Hatteberg sigend to be a cheap, veteran backup--with the full knowledge that he would not be starting?

    Has Denofria not shown this spring that he is capable of playing at the ML level?

    Does this franchise have a complete aversion to offering Freel any semblance of stability at one position?

    I am very perplexed by this whole turn of events. I can't se ethem sticking with Hatteberg for very long, but why he's considered a viable option at all is completely mystifying to me.
    I think that's Jerry Narron.

    Hopefully he'll be cut off at the pass.
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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    I can't se ethem sticking with Hatteberg for very long, but why he's considered a viable option at all is completely mystifying to me.
    It is likely the worst of all potential options as is the case with Womack which has to lead people to question if the Reds have any clue at all.
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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    I am really, really confused by this.
    Did the Reds not spend the entire winter telling us how their long term plans for Dunn were for him to be at first base?
    True. But then, that was someone else's front office.
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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    I am really, really confused by this.


    I am very perplexed by this whole turn of events. I can't se ethem sticking with Hatteberg for very long, but why he's considered a viable option at all is completely mystifying to me.
    Let me help clear it up for you.

    First thing is they don't like Dunn at 1B and maybe that's because Dunn himself prefers LF. Marty said yesterday that Dunn was pleased with the trade because it meant going back to LF. They also feel that Dunn is a better LF than a 1B. So if you start with the premise that Dunn does not play 1B regularly then the choices are kind of limited.

    Secondly they like Hatteberg not as a superstar but as a Joe Randa type that solidifies a team. Hatteberg is not a powerful 1B but he's played regularly there for the A's who were pretty successful. The Braves and Indians are examples of other contenders who do not get big numbers out of the 1B position.

    So it's really clear what they want. They want more pitching, more defense and less strike outs and this trade accomplished all of that.

    Don't expect Dunn to play regularly at 1B for the next few years. I don't think he wants it and neither does Krivsky.

    As for Denorfia he has options and we know what that means. He starts the year in Louisville
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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    Does this franchise have a complete aversion to offering Freel any semblance of stability at one position?
    When he plays everyday, he gets hurt, run down etc and misses a lot of time; and as somebody else has said it looks like they don't want him near 2nd.

    With the new regime in place and some of the other moves, when you do the math, it is not that difficult to come up with a scenario where Freel doesn't even make the team, especially if they end up going with 3 catchers.

    I think Kata makes the team becasue he is only viable backup shortstop and can also play 2nd and third. Aurilia is back up at 3rd, 2nd and 1st.

    Wise or Cruz is going to make the team as as a lefthanded bat off the bench (Wise gives them a more versatile OF so it is probably him).

    So for position players

    LaRue
    Valentin
    Ross
    Hatteburg
    Aurilia
    Womack
    Lopez
    Encarnacion
    Kata
    Griffey
    Kearns
    Dunn
    Wise

    There are 13 without Freel. The 3rd catcher becomes the righthanded bat off the bench if Aurilia is starting. Womack is the 5th outfielder. Denorfia gets the call up if an OF goes down.

    Not saying it will go down this way or that it is my first choice; but when you look at what is going on, you have to wonder.
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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Quote Originally Posted by roby
    The Reds are missing a big opportunity if they DON'T start Denorfia. He would really shore up the outfield defense (thus helping the pitching), and would also be a contributor with the bat. (something that I don't thnk Hatteburg will do). It seems like a no-brainer!
    I agree. I have seen him play in 6 games this spring and he has impressed me quite a bit. Reminds me of Brady Clark.
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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Denorfia still has options. In Reds World that means he's ticketed for AAA while McCracken and Womack clog up the big league roster.

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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    I agree that Denorfia should be in the mix. My lineup:

    Freel 2B
    FeLo SS
    Griffey LF/CF (depending on his overall health)
    Dunn 1B
    Kearns RF
    EdE 3B
    Larue C
    Denorfia LF/CF
    Pitcher's spot

    This lineup has speed at the top and can manufacture runs.

    Compare with the projected opening day lineup (just my opinion):

    Womack 2B
    FeLo SS
    Griffey CF
    Dunn LF
    Kearns RF
    Hatteburg 1B
    EdE 3B (beware of Aurilia spot starts off and on all year)
    Larue C
    Pitcher's spot

    I know which lineup I prefer. Hint: it has no journeymen hanging onto the end of their average careers.

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    Re: What's wrong with Denorfia???

    Quote Originally Posted by NC Reds
    I agree that Denorfia should be in the mix. My lineup:

    Freel 2B
    FeLo SS
    Griffey LF/CF (depending on his overall health)
    Dunn 1B
    Kearns RF
    EdE 3B
    Larue C
    Denorfia LF/CF
    Pitcher's spot

    This lineup has speed at the top and can manufacture runs.

    NC Reds, there is one major problem with this lineup. It makes sense! What were you thinking?


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