One of my high school teachers (the assistance wrestling coach) had an affair with a junior and ended up in prison. This happened after I left, so I didn't know the girl, but I knew the coach.
One of my high school teachers (the assistance wrestling coach) had an affair with a junior and ended up in prison. This happened after I left, so I didn't know the girl, but I knew the coach.
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One of my HS teachers had a clandestine thing going with a classmate in my senior year.
They eventually got married, had a family, and are still together 36 years later.
I don't think that could happen in this day and age.
She used to wake me up with coffee ever morning
No offense but your post sounds like the teacher bound and gagged the dude... I assure you that is not what happened.Originally Posted by creek14
I would be insanely disappointed in my son but putting myself in that position when I was 14, you bet your butt I'd be taking part... 14 yr old boys are an entirely different frame of mind than 14 yr old girls.
Not that I agree with what those two did (as every 14 yr old kid knows scoring with the teacher isnt a "good" thing). It was wrong in todays society.
Your argument would hold true if we were talking about a 14-year-old boy having sex with a 16-year-old girl. A 23-year-old teacher having sex with her 14-year-old student is abuse no matter how you cut it. Does he think so? Probably not. There are a lot of things that kids that age don't know yet. The fact that he is controlled by his hormones makes no difference. What she did isn't right.Originally Posted by smith288
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
I don't think Smith288 post was claiming what she did was right. He was simply saying its not as bad as it sounds. No kids that are 14 dont know everything at that age, however you know whats going on in terms of right and wrong. I know the 14 yr old knew that doing what he did with the teacher wasn't right. I believe most 14 yr olds would take up on the offer of a 23 yr old teaher, especially a good looking one.Originally Posted by vaticanplum
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The teacher's actions are indefensible, statutory rape laws recognize the difference in maturity that makes the child a victim, even if he or she is a willing participant. And a 14 year old is a child, though while responsible for actions to some extent, is generally not mature enough to avoid being taken advantage of. A minor is deemed, and rightly so, unable to weigh all the consequences of such actions and is protected by laws.
This falls in the category of things you'd never dream folks would question.
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But this brings us back to where we started. It doesn't matter what most 14-year-olds would do in this situation. The whole situation is probably WORSE than it sounds because the teacher is young and hot. It's abusive, no less so than it would be if the teacher were 50 and ugly.Originally Posted by beb30
Mods, pull me back if what I'm posting isn't appropriate for this forum, but there are some double standards and misconceptions about child sexual abuse out there. No one is more hated than the male child molester who preys on little girls (or boys, for that matter). And we picture these children as terrified and taken advantage of, which they are. But girls can develop weird relationships with their abusers, even sometimes starting to enjoy it or look forward to it since they are brainwashed into believing that it is a special thing they're sharing -- and girls, contrary to what some of you seem to believe, are sexual beings and take pleasure from the physicality of things too. Add into this the fact that many girls who are put into such situations are, unfortunately, often not getting much attention in other areas of their lives. And then we have a whole EXTRA cycle of guilt that derives from them enjoying this when they know they're not "supposed" to. Abused girls will then even turn around and SEEK OUT similar abusive relationships.
Does any of this make it ok? No. And it is no different for this boy, who has been taken advantage of by someone in a position of power over him. Hot or not. He's going to suffer, and I think that is as bad as it sounds. If you wrap poison in chocolate and give it to a dog who eats it up because he loves chocolate, you've still poisoned the dog.
edit: traderumor is quicker on the draw and more concise than I am.
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
I'm not even sure what you guys are saying anymore, no one has said that she is innocent. From what i believe and read shes wrong. I dont see what the debate is or what exactly you're trying to sway me or anyone else to believe....?
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In my opinion -- and I thought I saw some of this here, maybe I'm wrong -- the way she looks blinds some people to the gravity of the situation, that the fact that he was possibly a willing participant somehow made it less serious or abusive than it was. A post above referenced that "what they did...was wrong". He did not do anything wrong. He did, as many of you have pointed out, what many 14-year-olds would have done. She was abusive, and that is serious.
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
Im saying he was willing to do it (put in that situation i probably would have done it to if it was a young hot teacher). However I do still believe it is less serious than some of you make it out to be. I believe the law for a minor to knowingly have sex is 16 for a female, I'm not sure if its different for a girl. Anyway its different (IMO) when your a younger male than a younger female. If the genders were switched its worse because females I believe can be more vulnerable to these types of actions. Yes what she did was wrong, but that kid knew what he was doing. He knew he was doing stuff he shouldn't have doing.
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Yeah, as the father of one teenage boy and two teenage daughters, I can first-hand testify that *judgement* is the last thing to develop.
My kids can solve calculus problems, write brilliant essays, apply formulae to a wide range of scientific areas, but sometime they do the *stupidest* darn things. The timeless rhetorical question "what were you thinking?" is oft-used in my "discussions".
A 14 yr. old, be it a boy or a girl, simply lacks the wherewithall to maturely judge whether or not a sexual relationship with a 23 yr. old is a good or a bad thing. And lacks the emotional capability and maturity to carry on such a relationship without a high risk of long-term emotional damage.
Vaticanplum's comment on this kid will have problems later in life with long-term relationships was spot-on.
She used to wake me up with coffee ever morning
And I disagree strongly with this, and that's exactly where I think the double standards come into play.Originally Posted by beb30
In some states the laws for age of consensual sex do differ for males and females; there are a lot of people (myself included) who find this absurd and fight against it. So you are not alone in your opinion. For the record, Florida's laws are relatively strict. The age of consent is for males/females is 18. It is illegal for an adult to have sex with anyone under that age regardless of gender breakdown. 18 is the highest it is anywhere. In New York and Illinois, for example, it is 17; I believe it's 16 in Ohio. It does go as low as 14 in some states, but very few.
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
He's young enough that it's possible that this was his first sexual relationship too. In the human mind he will now probably associate sex with authority figures and manipulation and he will certainly have negative connotations with it.Originally Posted by Roy Tucker
I'll shut up about this now -- I can get a little riled up I know.
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
agree to disagree i guess.......
On a different matter:
When a girl is under the influence of alcohol and you have sex with her its considered rape whether she says yes or not. Yet if a guy wanted to while being under the influence, i dont think it is considered rape itd be a problem........I'm not sure i understand why it wouldn't be, but people do regulate laws based on the differences between males and females.
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I believe it's 18 in Ohio, or at least it was.Originally Posted by vaticanplum
When I was in college, a Fraternity brother of mine met a girl at a bar, and invited her back to our fraternity house afterwards. She ended up spending the night there and the next day the police came and arrested him. Apparently, she was only 16. She had a fake ID that got her into the bar and she told him she was 18, and believe me, she didn't look 16 at the time. He was a couple months shy of being 20. They later reduced his charge, so he avoided jail time.
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