Since I keep getting ignored in the other thread...anyone know how PECOTA sees BA this season?
Since I keep getting ignored in the other thread...anyone know how PECOTA sees BA this season?
We traded the right guy. The return remains to be seen, but if he get's 15 quality starts this year, after 20 last year, I'll be very happy.
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I do know that Austin Kearns has about ten lifes in this organization. They are holding Kearns back for a kings ransom and they trade Pena for Bronson Arroyo?Originally Posted by registerthis
This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.
Same here. People are treating Arroyo like he's the second coming of Jimmy Anderson.
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
Which isn't saying much on the Reds.
they won't if it means Womack and Hatteberg, which will be a defensive downgrade as well which I didn't think was possible for what was the worst defensive team in baseball in 2005.The Reds have offense to spare,
Right about now Wayne Krivsky has to be feeling like he just sobered up after a long night in Pat Summit's hotel room.
Kearns' value is likely lower than Pena's at this point.
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
Look at his decreasing K rate and his groundball/flyball ratio. He lost velocity last year also.
This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.
that has to be the rallying cry of this trade. If they end up as the starters we will know the organization is still every bit as clueless at they were under DanO.
It sure as hell looks like in the Reds organization Kearns has much higher value.
And we can't run Hatteberg and Womack out there everyday and still say we have a good lineup. This year is gonna get VERY ugly before it even starts.
This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.
But you have to start somewhere. This team needs help now, and they aren't going to sign a Martinez or Clemens. Arroyo isn't chopped liver--he will help this team, albeit marginally.
Womack was going to start regardless of what the OF situation was like. Dunn could become a good 1B man, but isn't there yet. The Reds are in the unenviable situation of playing in a hitter's park with an infield defense that is incapable of supporting a groundball pitcher. Not much to work with there.they won't if it means Womack and Hatteberg, which will be a defensive downgrade as well which I didn't think was possible for what was the worst defensive team in baseball in 2005.
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
I wonder if the BoSox will try to restructure WMP's contract so they can send him down.
Will trade this space for a #1 starter.
...or it's entirely possible that the Reds offered up kearns and received nothing of interest. Pena was the more tradeable commodity of the two.
BTW, as I asked earlier, what DO you believe is a fair value for Pena? You think Arroyo is beneath him, so what would be an acceptable return for him?
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
IMO WMP either willl go Aldolpho Phillips or Henry Rodriguez, not Sosa.
Meanwhile the Reds now have a 200 inning guy, hopefully by next year he's #4 not #2.
Looking at Arroyo's last two seasons, the WHIP was 1.22 and 1.30, respectively. By comparison, last year's rotation:
Harang 1.27, Milton 1.55, Ortiz 1.50, Claussen 1.41, and consider Williams 1.41
Additionally, he gave up the same number of homers as Harang. The downside? Lefties killed him last year and the K rate sunk like a rock. Not sure what to make of the K rate drop, but lefties in GABP could make for some long nights for Arroyo. So, Harang without the K's? Maybe he'll find his K's from 2004.
Now, was it value for WMP? I like the opinion so far that they traded the right OFer if it comes down to WMP/Kearns and that we got an average pitcher for an average outfielder. And while WMP makes one salivate with the prodigious homers, I'd say the probability is low that he becomes anything more than an average big leaguer at best.
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