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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by creek14
    I wonder if the BoSox will try to restructure WMP's contract so they can send him down.




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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    Dunn could become a good 1B man, but isn't there yet.
    And Hatteberg(a converted catcher) has never there nor will he ever be. Hatteberg is a serious defensive downgrade from Casey with zero upside. At least Dunn brings more range a huge target, Hatterberg is a short 1B. WOmack is a downgrade from both Freel and Aurilia(who isn't as bad at 2B as people think).
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Does Anyone Have/know What Pecota Says About Bronson Arroyo?!?

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    We traded the right guy. The return remains to be seen, but if he get's 15 quality starts this year, after 20 last year, I'll be very happy.
    RFS, 15 Quality Starts for a full season would be exactly two more than were acquired by Eric Milton and Ramon Ortiz in 2005. In short, 15 QS is pretty much junk level. If that happens you can expect an ERA right around 5.00.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Lance McAlister's blog reaction: (sounds like he's grasping for positives - I still think WMP was worth more than cash and Arroyo, should've netted a worthwhile prospect at least)

    If you don't like the deal, you are not paying attention
    Reasons to like Bronson Arroyo
    He's named after Charles Bronson
    He's locked in financially for three years
    '06 3.5 mill
    '07 3.8 mill
    '08 3.9 mill
    Led Boston with 20 quality starts in 2005
    Sox scored 18 total runs in his 9 losses.....scoring 1 run or less four times, 2 runs or less 7 times.
    He left 5 starts in line for the win, and the bullpen could not hold it.
    Opponents attempted ONLY 8 steals against him......succeeding on 5......in his career, teams have stolen just 20 of 33, 61%
    He worked at least 6 innings in 25 of his 32 starts........7 innings or more in 15 starts
    He walked two or fewer in 23 of his 32 starts....one or less in 19 starts..........none in 5 starts.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    The more I think about it, the more $$$ was a big factor.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    He left 5 starts in line for the win, and the bullpen could not hold it.
    He had better get used to that...

    He walked two or fewer in 23 of his 32 starts....one or less in 19 starts..........none in 5 starts.
    At least thats nice...

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker
    The more I think about it, the more $$$ was a big factor.
    Well, seeing as it is not going to the Commish's office for approval, it has to be less than $1M, right?

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by SC Reds Fans
    Does Anyone Have/know What Pecota Says About Bronson Arroyo?!?
    Arroyo's 50% PECOTA Line

    192.0 IP
    205 Hits
    46 BB
    115 Ks
    24 HR
    42%GB -slight GB pitcher similar to Harang
    1.31 WHIP
    4.37 ERA
    25.6 VORP

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    Collapse 9(very low)
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    Arroyo's 50% PECOTA Line

    192.0 IP
    205 Hits
    46 BB
    115 Ks
    24 HR
    42%GB -slight GB pitcher similar to Harang
    1.31 WHIP
    4.37 ERA
    25.6 VORP

    Breakout 13
    Improve 55
    Collapse 9(very low)
    attrition 2 (very very low)
    While not "bad" not great. And for 2007 and on, that gets worse and worse. Time will tell. Just don't start Womack and Hatteberg, please.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Even if Pena broke out, he wasn't long for this team for $$$ reasons. He wouls likely always be over priced due to his HR's.

    Arroyo is signed for 3 more years at less than $4M per year.

    The more I think about it, the more it's absolutely clear that this was all about $$$$, and the cost certainty of Arroyo vs. Pena. And that's the best part of the trade.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Bronson Arroyo-National League Career

    187 ip, 217 h, 23 hr, 85 bb, 111 k, 1.62 whip, 5.44 era

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by SC Reds Fans
    While not "bad" not great. And for 2007 and on, that gets worse and worse.
    2006 VORP - 24.6
    2007 16.6
    2008 12.8

    2006 MORP $6,750,000
    2007 $5,025,000
    2008 $4,175,000
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Question, since he signed a multi year deal, can he request a trade after the season, or was this waived by Arroyo?

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    What's Boston's OF alignment going to be? If Manny and WMP are going to be manning the corner spots, that's going to be worth the price of admission in terms of comedic value.


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