Originally Posted by creek14
Wow, great idea!!!
Originally Posted by creek14
Wow, great idea!!!
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And Hatteberg(a converted catcher) has never there nor will he ever be. Hatteberg is a serious defensive downgrade from Casey with zero upside. At least Dunn brings more range a huge target, Hatterberg is a short 1B. WOmack is a downgrade from both Freel and Aurilia(who isn't as bad at 2B as people think).Originally Posted by registerthis
Does Anyone Have/know What Pecota Says About Bronson Arroyo?!?
RFS, 15 Quality Starts for a full season would be exactly two more than were acquired by Eric Milton and Ramon Ortiz in 2005. In short, 15 QS is pretty much junk level. If that happens you can expect an ERA right around 5.00.Originally Posted by RFS62
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Lance McAlister's blog reaction: (sounds like he's grasping for positives - I still think WMP was worth more than cash and Arroyo, should've netted a worthwhile prospect at least)
If you don't like the deal, you are not paying attention
Reasons to like Bronson Arroyo
He's named after Charles Bronson
He's locked in financially for three years
'06 3.5 mill
'07 3.8 mill
'08 3.9 mill
Led Boston with 20 quality starts in 2005
Sox scored 18 total runs in his 9 losses.....scoring 1 run or less four times, 2 runs or less 7 times.
He left 5 starts in line for the win, and the bullpen could not hold it.
Opponents attempted ONLY 8 steals against him......succeeding on 5......in his career, teams have stolen just 20 of 33, 61%
He worked at least 6 innings in 25 of his 32 starts........7 innings or more in 15 starts
He walked two or fewer in 23 of his 32 starts....one or less in 19 starts..........none in 5 starts.
The more I think about it, the more $$$ was a big factor.
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He had better get used to that...He left 5 starts in line for the win, and the bullpen could not hold it.
At least thats nice...He walked two or fewer in 23 of his 32 starts....one or less in 19 starts..........none in 5 starts.
Well, seeing as it is not going to the Commish's office for approval, it has to be less than $1M, right?Originally Posted by Roy Tucker
Arroyo's 50% PECOTA LineOriginally Posted by SC Reds Fans
192.0 IP
205 Hits
46 BB
115 Ks
24 HR
42%GB -slight GB pitcher similar to Harang
1.31 WHIP
4.37 ERA
25.6 VORP
Breakout 13
Improve 55
Collapse 9(very low)
attrition 2 (very very low)
While not "bad" not great. And for 2007 and on, that gets worse and worse. Time will tell. Just don't start Womack and Hatteberg, please.Originally Posted by flyer85
Even if Pena broke out, he wasn't long for this team for $$$ reasons. He wouls likely always be over priced due to his HR's.
Arroyo is signed for 3 more years at less than $4M per year.
The more I think about it, the more it's absolutely clear that this was all about $$$$, and the cost certainty of Arroyo vs. Pena. And that's the best part of the trade.
Bronson Arroyo-National League Career
187 ip, 217 h, 23 hr, 85 bb, 111 k, 1.62 whip, 5.44 era
reds44 (08-15-2013)
2006 VORP - 24.6Originally Posted by SC Reds Fans
2007 16.6
2008 12.8
2006 MORP $6,750,000
2007 $5,025,000
2008 $4,175,000
Question, since he signed a multi year deal, can he request a trade after the season, or was this waived by Arroyo?
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Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90
Chicago Blackhawks - 10, 13, 15
University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12
Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98
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What's Boston's OF alignment going to be? If Manny and WMP are going to be manning the corner spots, that's going to be worth the price of admission in terms of comedic value.
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