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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by remdog
    Ugh! I'm not surprised to see WMP traded but I was hopeing to get better pitching for him.

    I was also looking forward to seeing an OF of WMP, JR and Kearnes. Worst part is that it looks like Hatteberg is now the starting first baseman.

    Sigh!

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    I wouldn't assume Hatteberg gets the vast majority of starts at first. At least I hope not. This does give the Reds more flexibility with Freel, however, and since he has been seeing alot of time in the outfield, this move gives him more playing time with Dunn at first half the time. You know Narron likes this, cause now he can ride the hot hand between Hatteberg and Freel and slot Richie Rich at second when Freel plays OF. I think we will see an equal rotation between Hatteberg, Rich, Freel, and Womack IMO - also depending on productivity.

    I do wonder what Krivsky is thinking long term here, though. Where does he envision our outfield in the future. Denorfia - RF, Kearns - CF, Dunn - LF. All I can say is I hope he has a plan.

    Do I like this trade? I like it for the short term because it does make our team better now, and measurably so. But like I said, Krivsky better have a plan.
    Thank goodness for baseball.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by remdog
    Worst part is that it looks like Hatteberg is now the starting first baseman.

    Sigh!

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    It wouldn't take much to imagine a worse scenario. This opens up LF for Freel, so they can get Womack & Aurilia into the lineup at 2B on a regular basis.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    counter intuitively, what if Pena struggles in the AL? It's been assumed that since defensively his best position is DH that the AL was the place for him. The AL, however, has traditionally been more of a breaking ball league. Is this still true? If so, I wouldn't be surprised to see him struggle.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by ochre
    counter intuitively, what if Pena struggles in the AL? It's been assumed that since defensively his best position is DH that the AL was the place for him. The AL, however, has traditionally been more of a breaking ball league. Is this still true? If so, I wouldn't be surprised to see him struggle.
    And the Sox already have a DH unless they plan on moving Ortiz back to 1st.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    I'm slightly disappointed, but I'm going to adopt a wait and see approach.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    On the plus side, Arroyo's stats weren't helped by pitching in Boston, and he's signed to a fairly friendly 3 year contract (if I recall correctly). Pena would start making big money after this season, even if he didn't improve much. Arroyo, because of his contract, was a fairly valuable trading chip. He did pitch 200 innings last year, with an ERA in the AL (in Boston) of about 4.50.

    There's some hope here. His ERA over the last 3 years away from home is about 3.50.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Just when you thought it could not get any worse... It does.

    At least you got to hand it Krivsky, it took a lot of sack to make this move. If Pena comtinues to develop consistently over the enxt few years, and Arroyo does what most pitchers do at the GAB then this could wind up as one of the worst trades in the last 15 years.

    Edit: I have to admit that Arroya has grown on me during his time in Boston, but the Reds took a huge risk here. I can just envision Pena just mashing w/ the BoSox.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig
    On the plus side, Arroyo's stats weren't helped by pitching in Boston, and he's signed to a fairly friendly 3 year contract (if I recall correctly). Pena would start making big money after this season, even if he didn't improve much. Arroyo, because of his contract, was a fairly valuable trading chip. He did pitch 200 innings last year, with an ERA in the AL (in Boston) of about 4.50.

    There's some hope here. His ERA over the last 3 years away from home is about 3.50.
    He's easily the best starter the Reds have beyond Harang and Claussen, and he may be better than Claussen. There's no question this trade improves the pitching staff. Like I wrote earlier, I would have rather seen the Reds go after a higher K guy, but I'm willing to see what Arroyo can bring.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    I just hope they don't give 1B to Hatteberg. Here is a chance to improve the defense, make Denorfia a starter.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    And the Reds still lose 90 games.

    Bad deal.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigg Red Smokey
    Just when you thought it could not get any worse... It does.
    How are the Reds worse for this move?
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Remember when the BoSox traded away a young Jeff Bagwell to acquire a mediocre veteran pitcher named Larry Anderson?

    I hope this isn't an example of that karma coming back around...

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    How are the Reds worse for this move?
    They aren't. It is a good short term move if Krivsky has a strong long term plan.
    Thank goodness for baseball.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    I'm very ambivalent. It only helps if they put Freel in center and move Jr to left or put Freel at 2B and put Denorfia in CF.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    The Reds wanted to make a point and they did it. Yippee! Another fourth starter at best. I really can't handle this organization much longer.
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