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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Since I keep getting ignored in the other thread...anyone know how PECOTA sees BA this season?

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    We traded the right guy. The return remains to be seen, but if he get's 15 quality starts this year, after 20 last year, I'll be very happy.
    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    What do you believe would be fair value for a player of Pena's stature?
    I do know that Austin Kearns has about ten lifes in this organization. They are holding Kearns back for a kings ransom and they trade Pena for Bronson Arroyo?
    This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    We traded the right guy. The return remains to be seen, but if he get's 15 quality starts this year, after 20 last year, I'll be very happy.
    Same here. People are treating Arroyo like he's the second coming of Jimmy Anderson.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    They received a starting pitcher who is easily the third-best on the team.
    Which isn't saying much on the Reds.

    The Reds have offense to spare,
    they won't if it means Womack and Hatteberg, which will be a defensive downgrade as well which I didn't think was possible for what was the worst defensive team in baseball in 2005.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Right about now Wayne Krivsky has to be feeling like he just sobered up after a long night in Pat Summit's hotel room.
    "I fought because I understood and could not bear to understand, that it was my destiny -- unlike that of my father, whose fate it was to hear the roar of the crowd -- to sit in the stands with most men and acclaim others. It was my fate, my destiny, my end, to be a fan."

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric
    I do know that Austin Kearns has about ten lifes in this organization. They are holding Kearns back for a kings ransom and they trade Pena for Bronson Arroyo?
    Kearns' value is likely lower than Pena's at this point.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    Same here. People are treating Arroyo like he's the second coming of Jimmy Anderson.
    Look at his decreasing K rate and his groundball/flyball ratio. He lost velocity last year also.
    This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by SC Reds Fans
    Bottom line. This is the chance to improve the defense now. Get Denorfia in there. DO NOT START WOMACK AND HATTEBERG....PLEASE?!?!
    that has to be the rallying cry of this trade. If they end up as the starters we will know the organization is still every bit as clueless at they were under DanO.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    Kearns' value is likely lower than Pena's at this point.
    It sure as hell looks like in the Reds organization Kearns has much higher value.

    And we can't run Hatteberg and Womack out there everyday and still say we have a good lineup. This year is gonna get VERY ugly before it even starts.
    This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    Which isn't saying much on the Reds.
    But you have to start somewhere. This team needs help now, and they aren't going to sign a Martinez or Clemens. Arroyo isn't chopped liver--he will help this team, albeit marginally.

    they won't if it means Womack and Hatteberg, which will be a defensive downgrade as well which I didn't think was possible for what was the worst defensive team in baseball in 2005.
    Womack was going to start regardless of what the OF situation was like. Dunn could become a good 1B man, but isn't there yet. The Reds are in the unenviable situation of playing in a hitter's park with an infield defense that is incapable of supporting a groundball pitcher. Not much to work with there.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    I wonder if the BoSox will try to restructure WMP's contract so they can send him down.

    Will trade this space for a #1 starter.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric
    It sure as hell looks like in the Reds organization Kearns has much higher value.
    ...or it's entirely possible that the Reds offered up kearns and received nothing of interest. Pena was the more tradeable commodity of the two.

    BTW, as I asked earlier, what DO you believe is a fair value for Pena? You think Arroyo is beneath him, so what would be an acceptable return for him?
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    IMO WMP either willl go Aldolpho Phillips or Henry Rodriguez, not Sosa.

    Meanwhile the Reds now have a 200 inning guy, hopefully by next year he's #4 not #2.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Looking at Arroyo's last two seasons, the WHIP was 1.22 and 1.30, respectively. By comparison, last year's rotation:

    Harang 1.27, Milton 1.55, Ortiz 1.50, Claussen 1.41, and consider Williams 1.41

    Additionally, he gave up the same number of homers as Harang. The downside? Lefties killed him last year and the K rate sunk like a rock. Not sure what to make of the K rate drop, but lefties in GABP could make for some long nights for Arroyo. So, Harang without the K's? Maybe he'll find his K's from 2004.

    Now, was it value for WMP? I like the opinion so far that they traded the right OFer if it comes down to WMP/Kearns and that we got an average pitcher for an average outfielder. And while WMP makes one salivate with the prodigious homers, I'd say the probability is low that he becomes anything more than an average big leaguer at best.
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