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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    The more I think about it the more I see this as a "We're really trying!!" move much like the Milton deal last year..thankfully this one doesn't stick us with a horrible contract.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    The more I think about it the more I see this as a "We're really trying!!" move much like the Milton deal last year..thankfully this one doesn't stick us with a horrible contract.
    ...or such a horrible pitcher. Arroyo is a considerable upgrade over Milton. All Milton had were his wins.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Any trade that puts a 35 year old Scott Hattenburg into the regular lineup (even if only until he plays himself out of the lineup) is a bad idea.

    Arroyo plus SH does not make the Reds a better team - now or in the long haul.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Puffy
    Any trade that puts a 35 year old Scott Hattenburg into the regular lineup (even if only until he plays himself out of the lineup) is a bad idea.

    Arroyo plus SH does not make the Reds a better team - now or in the long haul.
    I'm thinking after Thursday that Carlos Pena's going to be a Red.

    Just a hunch. Yeah, he might be Dave Revering, but he's probably better than Hatteburg.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath
    I'm thinking after Thursday that Carlos Pena's going to be a Red.

    Just a hunch. Yeah, he might be Dave Revering, but he's probably better than Hatteburg.
    You've been on Pena as a Red for a while now IIRC. What gives you the impression that it'll happen?

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    He's too expensive, 3 mill a year.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader
    I'm purely guessing, we'll probably never know WHY they made the move today...
    My guess is the reason why is because if the Reds constantly wait for the perfect trade they'll be headed down Devil Rays highway.

    I buy into the notion that Pena probably will be worth more this summer, but that's not guaranteed and at some point the Reds need to start addressing the larger pitching problem. Fixing it is going to involve taking on some risk.

    Are there other pitchers I'd have preferred to Arroyo?

    Yes.

    Would I rather have dealt Kearns and kept Pena?

    Yes.

    That said, I think the Reds moved in the right direction with this deal and I'm fairly confident Pena won't be winning any triple crowns any time soon.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath
    I'm thinking after Thursday that Carlos Pena's going to be a Red.

    Just a hunch. Yeah, he might be Dave Revering, but he's probably better than Hatteburg.
    Another Lefty? Don't think so.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Davis
    Jeff Francis...Brandon McCarthy...maybe Rich Hill in a package...Scott Olsen in a package...Cesar Carillo in a package.
    Dan O'Brien, is that you?

    This deal could go either way. Either Pena will flame out with the Red Sox, which I look for, or he becomes Sammy Sosa in Fenway. I honestly don't think very many pitchers could be successful playing in Coors Lite aka GABP.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath
    I'm thinking after Thursday that Carlos Pena's going to be a Red.

    Just a hunch. Yeah, he might be Dave Revering, but he's probably better than Hatteburg.
    If we can't get Choi or Shealy..Pena would be a nice option. Two straight years with an OPS over .800 and 45 homeruns in those two years - and he plays in a pitchers park.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath
    I'm thinking after Thursday that Carlos Pena's going to be a Red.

    Just a hunch.
    Pena is not known for being scrappy.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper
    Another Lefty? Don't think so.
    I'll apply Yankees theory here, you can never have too many lefty bats, particularly in a park that favors LHBs.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Serafini
    You've been on Pena as a Red for a while now IIRC. What gives you the impression that it'll happen?
    I would love to have Pena.

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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    I'm purely guessing, we'll probably never know WHY they made the move today..
    I think it is pretty clear. The answer is panic. They saw a staff crumbling before the eyes and Krivsky felt like he had to do something, even if it doesn't further any long term plan.
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    Re: Pena traded for Arroyo

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    you can never have too many lefty bats, particularly in a park that favors LHBs.
    without a doubt
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