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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    Thats ridiculous, Marty doesn't like anyone.

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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    I think you ought to ask the question if it occurs to you, and we can kick it around, look at it from all sides, and figure it out.

    If you ever heard Marty talk about Lee May or Tony Perez, you'd know he's not racist. I'd like to challenge him on what he said about Pena, but maybe he's right and all the sportswriters were just blowing smoke, or being spun by the coaches at the time. I'd sure like to reconcile the different stories.

    I think it's really just Marty's version of what we talk a lot about here: the cult of scrappitology. In a way it makes sense that announcers, sportswriters and the casual fans would relate to the ballplayers who are easy to relate to... the affable little hustler like Kirby Puckett instead of the aloof talented star like Eddie Murray. As you can see, it's not about race, but it looks like that when a black player is the target. Sometimes a white player is the target, like Dunn, but nobody thinks of race.

    Add to that Marty's general sourness these days, and the generational gap with the overpaid, hip-hip playing, headphone wearing, tattoo-getting punk kids from where ever they came from, and you can push some buttons.

    Of course, most of this would go away if these guys were winning pennants. I try to remember that Marty's been watching even more of the same disappointing organization that we have.

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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    Quote Originally Posted by kyred14
    Thats ridiculous, Marty doesn't like anyone.
    Well, except himself
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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    Excellent post BCubb.
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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003
    I think you ought to ask the question if it occurs to you, and we can kick it around, look at it from all sides, and figure it out.

    If you ever heard Marty talk about Lee May or Tony Perez, you'd know he's not racist. I'd like to challenge him on what he said about Pena, but maybe he's right and all the sportswriters were just blowing smoke, or being spun by the coaches at the time. I'd sure like to reconcile the different stories.

    I think it's really just Marty's version of what we talk a lot about here: the cult of scrappitology. In a way it makes sense that announcers, sportswriters and the casual fans would relate to the ballplayers who are easy to relate to... the affable little hustler like Kirby Puckett instead of the aloof talented star like Eddie Murray. As you can see, it's not about race, but it looks like that when a black player is the target. Sometimes a white player is the target, like Dunn, but nobody thinks of race.

    Add to that Marty's general sourness these days, and the generational gap with the overpaid, hip-hip playing, headphone wearing, tattoo-getting punk kids from where ever they came from, and you can push some buttons.

    Of course, most of this would go away if these guys were winning pennants. I try to remember that Marty's been watching even more of the same disappointing organization that we have.
    Well said BCubb,

    However I'm sure there are many fans/ members of this board and thousands more that listen to every game on radio that have been around longer than Marty. (and He loves to throw that line out)

    We all have been disappointed and down right angry at times. We debate line up construction, pitching moves and player trades. We have one thing in common.. We Care.

    IMHO Reds Baseball is nothing more than a job to Marty nowdays. He could care less what happens on the field of play, as long as he has all the bennifets of the job.

    At one time Marty was great .. not so anymore.

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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden
    He could care less what happens on the field of play, as long as he has all the bennifets of the job.
    surely you don't believe that.
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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    The hell I don't.

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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    I heard the comments. Steve seemed to have Marty's back with the caller as well. You think, just maybe, they who follow the team every day may know things that we don't? I dunno, just a thought.
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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    But don't we all follow this team everyday?

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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    I don't believe anyone on the board is privy to the things that Marty and Steve see, personally, on an everyday basis.
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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    Marty has his pet favorites players and guys he likes to pick on.

    Willy Mo got in the doghouse years ago because he made some errors and struck out.

    Felipe was perpetually in Marty's doghouse until he started putting up all star numbers, for a similiar reason (K's, defensive lapses).

    Marty does not base it on race, but it's hard to change Marty's first impression of someone
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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    Marty does not base it on race, but it's hard to change Marty's first impression of someone
    Yep, it's all about how you treat Marty in the clubhouse, he pretty much said that about Willie Green, who once turned down Marty's offer to interview in a way that did not please Marty. Add that to a morose on field manner and you are a going to be beat up on now and then.

    As for other Marty targets, you can bet he didn't pull any punches on Dibble nor did he constantly praise Chris Sabo's baserunning skills.

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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    And don't we all remember when he was dogging Jr? Only to find out he was hurt?

    There's no doubt in my mind that Marty spends very little time in the clubhouse anymore. He probably spotted WMP goofing off during practice one day and that set him in motion. He rants about AD's strikeouts too. Personally, I don't think he knows as much about baseball as a lot of people think he does.

    I don't think Marty spends any more time at the ballpark than he absolutely has to these days. I honestly don't think a whole lot of his comments have anything to do with first-hand experience... he just takes the most minute thing and makes a mountain out of it.... not based on fact, but rather, based on his opinion(s). Geez, you ever listen to his conversations with the various beat reporters? I can't even stand to listen anymore.

    He thinks every player on the field should perform like a robot... perfectly at all times, just like he performs perfectly in the booth.
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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC
    I don't believe anyone on the board is privy to the things that Marty and Steve see, personally, on an everyday basis.
    That's what I was getting at. Thanks RICN!
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    Re: Observation on one of Marty's comments...

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003
    I think you ought to ask the question if it occurs to you, and we can kick it around, look at it from all sides, and figure it out.

    If you ever heard Marty talk about Lee May or Tony Perez, you'd know he's not racist. I'd like to challenge him on what he said about Pena, but maybe he's right and all the sportswriters were just blowing smoke, or being spun by the coaches at the time. I'd sure like to reconcile the different stories.

    I think it's really just Marty's version of what we talk a lot about here: the cult of scrappitology. In a way it makes sense that announcers, sportswriters and the casual fans would relate to the ballplayers who are easy to relate to... the affable little hustler like Kirby Puckett instead of the aloof talented star like Eddie Murray. As you can see, it's not about race, but it looks like that when a black player is the target. Sometimes a white player is the target, like Dunn, but nobody thinks of race.

    Add to that Marty's general sourness these days, and the generational gap with the overpaid, hip-hip playing, headphone wearing, tattoo-getting punk kids from where ever they came from, and you can push some buttons.

    Of course, most of this would go away if these guys were winning pennants. I try to remember that Marty's been watching even more of the same disappointing organization that we have.


    Outstanding post. The Cult of Scrappitology.

    Now I gotta go spread around some rep points so I can hit you again.
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