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    Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    Maybe this is another reason that Pena was traded...to get Dunn back to left.



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    Reds manager Jerry Narron calls Edwin Encarnacion "the Grapefruit League MVP," but scouts are very concerned about the infeld defense, especially Dunn at first. "He just doesn't seem to take to the position," said one AL scout. "He's pretty rough over there."
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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    Hatteberg isn't so much better to offset the loss of O by taking Deno or Freel out of the lineup.

    To me I think Narron and/or Krivsky decided long before ST that they wanted Dunn back in the OF.
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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    Hatteberg isn't so much better to offset the loss of O by taking Deno or Freel out of the lineup.

    To me I think Narron and/or Krivsky decided long before ST that they wanted Dunn back in the OF.

    I think it's more of a case that Krivisky realized that he absolutely HAD to trade an OF for pitching this spring. If Kearns or Pena turned in another year where they didn't break out, their value would drop even more. I know some people don't think Arroyo was fair value, but IMO, that's fallout from DanO's years of inaction. DanO let their prospect label wear off.

    Freel at 1b might be worth trying. We have to consider that even though Dunn didn't pull a Soriano, he does not really want to play 1b. I'm willing to give WayneK some time to solve the 1b problem. I'd rather have a hole at 1b than to hand a slot in the rotation to someone like Gosling.
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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    I'm starting to see a pattern. Hatteberg is this year's Rich. Were that one guy the only thing contributing to five straight losing seasons.

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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    I don't want dunn at first. I think he's a lifetime LF. Keep him happy. He is the nucleus.

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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    There was so many opportunities fro Dunn at 1b this spring, I mean, how couldn't you come to that scout's conclusion?
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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    first base is the least of our defensive problems. It's just first base.

    the rest of the field-- you know, where most balls actually drop in for hits-- ugh.

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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton
    first base is the least of our defensive problems. It's just first base.

    the rest of the field-- you know, where most balls actually drop in for hits-- ugh.
    Yeah. Unless he's Ron Blomberg and balls are clanking off his glove, I don't think it's that big of a deal. But the people making the decisions feel otherwise.
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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton
    first base is the least of our defensive problems. It's just first base.

    the rest of the field-- you know, where most balls actually drop in for hits-- ugh.
    Exactly. It's like trying to fix a car with thrown engine rod by trying to change the tires.
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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    dont forget the johnson rods and starter hoses.
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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    I don't remember when it was, exactly, maybe back in '04, but I remembered looking at a Reds lineup and thinking, "except for the catcher, every single guy is playing out of position."

    If Krivsky's ongoing roster makeover starts with putting the biggest bats in the places where they're most comfortable and dealing with the other positions in turn, then I can live with that. It's not unreasonable to look at Dunn and say "he doesn't like first, he doesn't play it all that well, leave him alone and I'll deal with first base some other way." Instead of playing square pegs/round holes indefinitely, Krivsky will attempt to find better defensive fits, and unlike with O'Brien, there's a chance it'll be done in our lifetimes.

    Of course, comfort doesn't infer excellence, and the Griffey problem will have to be addressed at some point.
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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor
    Hatteberg is this year's Rich.
    Which would translate roughly into the following for SH for 2006:

    17 HR
    75 RBI
    .275 AVE
    .775 OPS

    Now i'm not crazy about Hatteberg being the everyday 1B, but strictly from an offensive stand, those numbers are remarkable Casey-esque.
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    Re: Gammons: Scouts worried about Reds Defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldXOhio
    Which would translate roughly into the following for SH for 2006:

    17 HR
    75 RBI
    .275 AVE
    .775 OPS

    Now i'm not crazy about Hatteberg being the everyday 1B, but strictly from an offensive stand, those numbers are remarkable Casey-esque.
    True but he'll be making quite a bit less than Casey.
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