8.1 IP, 10 K's, 0.00 ERA this spring.
8.1 IP, 10 K's, 0.00 ERA this spring.
Last edited by Joseph; 03-27-2006 at 07:55 PM.
Originally Posted by grantbalfour
Is this ajmlx9 hiding behind a new name?
12 IP, 4 H, 5 BB, 12 K, 0.75 WHIP, 0.75 ERA. That was Josias Manzanillo's Spring Training line back in 2003. He turned out well, eh?
Last edited by Joseph; 03-27-2006 at 07:55 PM.
Um....
Last edited by Joseph; 03-27-2006 at 07:55 PM.
I showed up to Spring Training "fat" this year and noticed I fit in quite well.
Cedric 3/24/08It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
Hancock isn't a good pitcher.
School's out. What did you expect?
I disagree. Hancock was often quiet good COMPARED to most everyone on our staff. Releasing him was in my opinion stupid.
Show me one problem with a guy that has a 1.93 ERA last year. Yes I know he didn't pitch much but when he did he did very well. How about a starter for our staff that goes 5 and 1 with a 4.45 ERA in 2004 when we couldn't win a game to save our lives. Do you remember the team we ran out there the last month and a half in 2004? Hancock was the one surprise. Frankly I am in the minority I know but some of Krivs moves have been puzzling. Releasing a pitcher the first day of camp instead of working his butt off seems like one of those puzzles.
2004 CIN NL 5 1 12 9 0 0 2 0 54.7 60 34 27 14 25 31 1 5 251 2 0 4.45 4.01 90 1.555
2005 27 CIN NL 1 0 11 0 0 0 5 0 14.0 11 4 3 1 1 5 0 0 54 0 0 1.93 4.44 230 0.857
Tim McCarver: Baseball Quotes
I remember one time going out to the mound to talk with Bob Gibson. He told me to get back behind the batter, that the only thing I knew about pitching was that it was hard to hit.
I agree that it was a mistake. I would prefer Hancock in my bullpen over Rick White anyday.
Was he good enough to make the Reds staff? Maybe.
Is he good? Not really.
It really doesn't matter whether Hancock should or shouldn't have been cut. He wasn't going to be a difference maker for the Reds and I be shocked if he turns out to be one for the Cardinals.
Look at his K/BB ratio or the fact that he gave up 17 HR's in 64 innings in 2004.
Hancock's career stats are oddly scewed by seasons in which he did well while pitching under 20 innings. In the seasons where he actually had decent samples sizes Hancock was exposed for the marginal pitcher he is.
School's out. What did you expect?
OK since someone else started a thread about Hancock I thought I would go back and look at what was said in March and April about him. I haven't changed my mind one bit about this move and think that if Kriv hadn't been so quick to react that we could have saved some of our ammo that we gave to the Nats for a trade later this month. Don't get me wrong, I love most of Krivs moves since the Hancock move...I just like to go back and look at what others thought then and now what they think...
Tim McCarver: Baseball Quotes
I remember one time going out to the mound to talk with Bob Gibson. He told me to get back behind the batter, that the only thing I knew about pitching was that it was hard to hit.
Last edited by Joseph; 03-27-2006 at 07:55 PM.
Hancock is nothing more than a long reliever. We have so many of them already there was no room for him. It was convenient that he did show up at camp overweight so the Reds could cut him.
I don't know....I put little to no stock in spring training stats. Having said that, I'm glad that the Cards put Hancock ahead of Nelson (they cut Nelson on Sunday). I do think Hancock can be a decent reliever if he makes the team, but he won't pitch as well as he has this spring.
14 IP is hardly anything to hang your hat on at the age 27, nor is 3.21 K per nine.Show me one problem with a guy that has a 1.93 ERA last year
I think Hancock sunk his own boat with his lack of attention to the offseason program. On the heels of what many considered a disappointing recovery from injury last year, the club had no other choice. There is a roster deep in Hancocks and that's been the problem for far too many years. Cut bait on these jokers.
Hancock will be long reliever/mopup guy and not much more. It was strange that the Reds cut him, but no big loss.
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