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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRedz
    I think Hancock sunk his own boat with his lack of attention to the offseason program. On the heels of what many considered a disappointing recovery from injury last year, the club had no other choice. There is a roster deep in Hancocks and that's been the problem for far too many years. Cut bait on these jokers.
    If the Reds were so interested in fit relievers, why did they sign Rick White?

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    The front office sent a message by cutting Hancock.....take the game seriously or get the hell out. If you can't come in shape and under the weight outlined by the front office, then they have to question your commitment.

    Even Austin Kearns got the message this year. If you want to change the fortunes of this club around, then it starts with the attitude and mindset throughout the entire organization first.
    If you think small, you'll go nowhere in life.

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty
    The front office sent a message by cutting Hancock.....take the game seriously or get the hell out. If you can't come in shape and under the weight outlined by the front office, then they have to question your commitment.

    Even Austin Kearns got the message this year. If you want to change the fortunes of this club around, then it starts with the attitude and mindset throughout the entire organization first.
    According to Hancock, the team never told him that he needed to lose weight.

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life
    If the Reds were so interested in fit relievers, why did they sign Rick White?
    Because not all players are treated equally. Dunn arriving at camp a little over weight will be treated far differently than would Kearns. Granted, White is hardly Dunn, but he has had some success, whereas Hancock has not. Hancock took over half a season to recover from a strained groin last year. And how does he prepare himself for this season? With a donut-of-the-week subscription.

    There is no better comparison than Coffey and Hancock. Coffey has fought weight issues all his life and how does he prepare for a shot at a full season on the ML roster? With a disciplined offseason program and arriving at camp a good month before reporting date. If Hancock had shown one iota of desire, I'm willing to bet he'd be in a Reds uni still. As it is, good luck with him.

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRedz
    Because not all players are treated equally. Dunn arriving at camp a little over weight will be treated far differently than would Kearns. Granted, White is hardly Dunn, but he has had some success, whereas Hancock has not. Hancock took over half a season to recover from a strained groin last year. And how does he prepare himself for this season? With a donut-of-the-week subscription.
    Rick White is a BAD reliever who has had very little success in his long career. Bottom line, he is a bad reliever.

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor
    So let it be written! So let it be done!
    Hey! I stole that line! You probably stole all those Nobel Prizes too.
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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by GoReds2006
    Quit looking at numbers like OPS. Who cares? W/L and ERA are ALL THAT MATTERS when it comes to a pitcher.

    A guy that gives up 40 doubles is going to have a higher OPS than a guy that gives up 80 singles. Who cares?

    I want to know if he can keep his ERA down and have a winning record. Hancock was a winner with a (relatively) low ERA.
    Nolan Ryan was a HORRIBLE pitcher in 1987.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life
    Rick White is a BAD reliever who has had very little success in his long career. Bottom line, he is a bad reliever.
    As is Josh Hancock.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life
    According to Hancock, the team never told him that he needed to lose weight.
    Yea, you get those kind of denials from ex-employees. Sort of like George Costanza's response when confronted with having sex with the cleaning lady in the office: "Was that wrong?"

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor
    Yea, you get those kind of denials from ex-employees. Sort of like George Costanza's response when confronted with having sex with the cleaning lady in the office: "Was that wrong?"
    Of course the employee is lying, and the employer must be telling the truth.

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine
    As is Josh Hancock.
    At least he is a younger and cheaper bad reliever.

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life
    Rick White is a BAD reliever who has had very little success in his long career. Bottom line, he is a bad reliever.
    Rick White has been in the majors since 1994, with an ERA of 4.24. While there's lots to be said (negative) about Rick White, he has been, over that time, an average reliever (at worse).

    While I don't, at this time, want him on my team, let's not exaggerate his career.

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    ...I don't understand the need to "make an example" of Josh Hancock.

    You've got the worst pitching staff in the major leagues, a historically bad staff and on one of the first official days of spring training you walk over to a 27 year old arm and cut it? to make a point?

    I really don't get that. I don't think Hancock was anything special, but he was as likely to give the reds 100 decent innings as a swing man as Gosling or Kozlowski or...well or Milton or Williams or Paul Wilson. That's not even talking about a conversion to relief. I certainly don't think the guy should have been assured a spot in the rotation, but he wasn't even on the 40 man roster. Why release him? To make the cardinals better?

    Ok...they didn't have enough space to look at all the pitchers they wanted to, why not just send the dude to the minor league camp? But release him out of the organization? That's silly.

    Hancock says nobody talked with him about losing weight at the end of last year. The cardinals don't seem to have a problem with his weight. Last year all spring training we heard about how great Austin Kearns looked. He got out of the gate slow and all of a sudden he was too heavy and needed to go to AAA and get right. huh?

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life
    Of course the employee is lying, and the employer must be telling the truth.
    Or convenient memory, or perhaps misunderstanding. I guess both parties made a mistake if nothing was put in writing so it didn't become he said/they said. But then I can think of one party in the dispute that needs to save face, and it isn't the Reds.

    Glad you are happy to have Hancock. I always enjoy the Reds having pitchers like him to face.

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    Re: Josh Hancock

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor
    But then I can think of one party in the dispute that needs to save face, and it isn't the Reds.

    Glad you are happy to have Hancock. I always enjoy the Reds having pitchers like him to face.
    I just see it differently. I don't think it is Hancock that needs to save face. He has a job with a better team that is a favorite to make the playoffs every year. He could come out and say that he didn't lose the wieght that the Reds asked him to lose, and nobody in St. Louis would care. On the other hand, the Reds need to explain to their fans why they cut loose a young reliever that pitched very well the last month of last season. It's not like the Reds have an excess of good young pitchers. The Reds have every reason to save face. Hancock has a good chance to make the bullpen on a very good team. Why does he need to save face?
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