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    Wagner on the block??

    According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, Reds scouts suspect that Ryan Wagner might be available through a trade.

    Some team needs to go get him. As things stand now, it appears that the Reds are leaning toward carrying Mike Burns over him on their Opening Day roster.
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    I hope that the Reds aren't shopping Wagner, unless they are looking to get a solid starter in return for him. I know Wagner has struggled at the big league level, but it would seem a little early to give up on him with the lack of quality arms in the Reds system.

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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Taking a relief pitcher in the first round of the draft was a foolish thing to do. I said that then, and I say that now.
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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan
    Taking a relief pitcher in the first round of the draft was a foolish thing to do. I said that then, and I say that now.
    I completely agree.

    Oh, and Mason-what SP would you give up for a young reliever that hasn't produced at the MLB level for an extended period of time?

    If he's moved, I would think he'd be packaged with someone else to increase the value on the Reds' side. Womack, Denorfia, one of the catchers?
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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader
    I completely agree.

    Oh, and Mason-what SP would you give up for a young reliever that hasn't produced at the MLB level for an extended period of time?

    If he's moved, I would think he'd be packaged with someone else to increase the value on the Reds' side. Womack, Denorfia, one of the catchers?
    Adding Womack decreases the value on the Reds side. Denorfia or Valentin/Larue might add enough value.

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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan
    Taking a relief pitcher in the first round of the draft was a foolish thing to do. I said that then, and I say that now.
    Cordero and Street(1A) look pretty good. That being said I am not sure that relief pitcher is ever a major need. Seemingly looking at an college infielder or starting pitcher would have been the way to go.

    Not an impressive draft when you realize Ronda(3rd), Lewis(4th) and Cornell(5th) were wasted picks.

    The Red Sox drafted Papelbon in the 4th round that year.
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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan
    Taking a relief pitcher in the first round of the draft was a foolish thing to do. I said that then, and I say that now.
    To take that one step further, bringing him to the majors the same year he was drafted was a big mistake. Sure he was great in the beginning, but once he started getting hit hard, you could see him loose confidence. Injuries just compound the problem. You cannot throw a young guy in the heat of battle like that. That is just a case of what were they thinking. If we learned one thing from the Bowden era, it is that JimBo really doesn't care about the future unless the future involves "5-tool players." Get Wagners confidence back, you could have a good pitcher. That is easier said than done though.

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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    i agree that Wagne would have to be packaged with other players to bring anything back of value. A straight up trade involving Wagner would bring back nothing but the same, most likely a young player who has yet to produce at the major league level

    i also agree that selecting a reliever high in the draft is foolish, however the rushing of Wagner to the bigs most likely hindered his development

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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Wagner himself will not pull in a solid starting pitcher. But I wouldn't mind seeing him go in a package for another pitcher, starter or closer. I think, without a doubt, there is something in the works. Everyone knows that by now. I personally think that the most likely players to go are catchers, in my opinion Javy is the most likely canidate because of contract. Nobody is really looking for a starting catcher right now, and LaRue's contract is too large for a backup. Might also see an utility player be moved. Freel maybe?

    What the Reds would get in return will be interesting. I'm almost more anxious for the days leading up to opening day, and a trade that could go down, than I am for Opening Day. ALMOST.

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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Let's just hope that they don't go out and trade him for a "proven closer" -- i.e. a guy who has closed in the past, even if he was basically a league average guy.
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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick
    Let's just hope that they don't go out and trade him for a "proven closer" -- i.e. a guy who has closed in the past, even if he was basically a league average guy.
    I could see DanO working out a deal to bring in Jose Mesa.
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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    I could see DanO working out a deal to bring in Jose Mesa.
    Would have been a step up from what we got.

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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Personally, I think trading Wagner would be a mistake unless the return is excellent. He still has a great deal of potential, and he was extremely unlucky last year (BABIP = 0.346, FIP = 3.81). He's also among the few pitchers on our staff that routinely gets ground balls (64% last year). That, coupled with his (potential for) extremely high strikeout rates means he's exactly the sort of pitcher I'd look for to pitch in our ballpark. Maybe they want to send him down to AAA to "prove" he's throwing well...if so, fine...but the guy could be a huge asset for us this year, as well as many years into the future.
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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    I was under the impression that he's had a really good spring. Is that not so?
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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone
    I was under the impression that he's had a really good spring. Is that not so?
    No, that is the case. But then bullpenners are really hard to judge in the spring because they are frequently facing the other team's scrubs and minor leaguers.

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    Re: Wagner on the block??

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor
    bullpenners are really hard to judge in the spring because they are frequently facing the other team's scrubs and minor leaguers.
    Very true, but it's not like he stunk up the joint. If he had, it certainly would be worse to display suckitude against scrubs and minor leaguers.

    We already know that when he's on, he's effective. And he seems to be much improved since getting the shoulder back in shape. Remember last year he started lights out, until the shoulder inflammation.

    Because his woes seemed to be due to that, and the fact that he's had a decent spring, I would think they'd want to keep him, even if only in AAA.
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