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    Re: lack of passion

    Look, I'm an Adam Dunn fan, and that post, although written in part due to his mishaps in the field, wasn't the only reason I wrote it. This team is NOT a fundamental baseball team. They fail again, and again, and again at doing the little things that win games. What i'm trying to say has been twisted around a bit. I wasn't saying that "passion" was the only thing that mattered, and that our pitching isn't an issue. Never did I say any of that. But what I am saying is this team is poor at fundamental baseball, and has been for quite some time. And until these guys actually focus on correcting that, instead of trying to go out and hit 6 solo home runs, then it will take longer than we would all like for things to turn around. (I guess I really got a doozy of a debate going didn't I? Haha. )

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    Re: lack of passion

    Good post Pedro I'm glad a little humor was injected into this convo. It was getting a tad bit too serious for a minute. But that's a good thing. It shows how much we all care about our team

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    Re: lack of passion

    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy
    Good post Pedro I'm glad a little humor was injected into this convo. It was getting a tad bit too serious for a minute. But that's a good thing. It shows how much we all care about our team
    Yeah, it's getting a little old too.

    The game was atrocious... it doesn't mean every game is going to be that way.

    The team lacks fundamentals. Yup. But they will not/do not play that way every single game.

    Adam Dunn is not the worst player in baseball, but you'd sure as hell think so! People act like he's a constant defensive liability and a total **** up.
    "Enjoy this Reds fans, you are watching a legend grow up before your very eyes" ... DoogMinAmo on Adam Dunn

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    Re: lack of passion

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    Christ had passion. Look where it got him.
    LMAO
    "Man, what would we ever do without water? We'd like....famish or something."

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    Re: lack of passion

    Not lack of passion, more like lack of pitching (as per usual)

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    Re: lack of passion

    The Reds will never win with that pitching staff.

    Now, give 'em a GOOD staff with that same defense.

    What do you think would happen?
    "We know we're better than this, but we can't prove it." - Tony Gwynn

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    I think that we would STILL have a crappy defense that would cost us a boat load of runs. We were one of, if not the WORST, defenses in the league last year. Our pitching staff is not a strikeout staff, so it's very important to have a good defense behind it, something we're not even close to having.

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    Re: lack of passion

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine
    And, obviously, Casey's passion for the game won the Reds many games over the last five years.

    Lack of clutch hitting? The Reds led the NL in runs scored last year and are off to a greta start this year. They must be doing something right.
    This is one of many ridiculous statements you all have made. First off, one person's passion CAN NOT change the fate of a team. Sean Casey was a great man, one of the greatest to put on a Cincinnati Reds uniform. But you cannot tell me that it was squarely on him. Second, just because a team scores runs doesn't necessarily mean they were all clutch. Look how many people they left on base or the average of the team w/ RISP. That will tell you the true clutch hitting-ness of the team. Not total runs, you moron.

    Second, "talent wins, not passion." by pedro. True, but not always. Look at the 1999 Cincinnati team that won 96 games. Let me list the starting rotation: Pete Harnisch, Denny Neagle, Steve Parris, Ron Villone, and Juan Guzman. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? To hear that rotation and believe the team won 96 games is beyond weird. That team will not have any future Hall-of-Famers in it, yet they miss the playoffs by one game. Yet, you want to sit here and tell me that they didn't have passion and it was sheer talent that won it for them? Oh get off of it!

    Third, "Would passion have helped Adam Dunn catch a fly ball?" by membengal. No, but if Dunn had any passion at all, you would have seen a reaction to his many mistakes (wind-affected or not). But you never see disappointment or anger in our Reds faces due to mistakes or getting thrown out after a groundball.

    Passion is important in all sports. I'm a runner, I know. If you don't have passion, you don't try. If you don't try, you fail. The Reds failed on Monday and sure, it's just one game. But unless hell freezes over first, I guarantee, we will see more passionless baseball from our boys in Red.

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    Fantastic point. If I may elaborate a bit further, going back to the defense argument, take a look at that 1999 rotation. Would you consider that a good rotation? I wouldn't. But it had a GREAT defense behind it. Reese and Larkin was one of the best DP combos, Cameron in center, Boonie at third, it really was a very good D for the most part. True, a fantastic bullpen also had a lot to do with it, but the good defense and clutch hitting (although not as much power as this team) contributed to 96 wins. The excitement you saw out of that team after every dramatic win was awesome, jumping up and down on home plate and what not. That team is the type of team that I long for now. Maybe our team this year will come through eventually, and maybe not. Time will tell

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    To hear that rotation and believe the team won 96 games is beyond weird.
    Maybe it was because only 6 NL relievers had over 92 IP that season and the Reds accounted for 50% of them?

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    1    Scott Williamson           2.16     2.41     4.57     93.1        0       62   
    2    Scott Sullivan             1.56     3.01     4.57    113.2        0       79   
    3    Danny Graves               1.49     3.08     4.57    111          0       75   
    4    Anthony Telford            0.63     3.94     4.57     96          0       79   
    5    David Weathers             -.08     4.65     4.57     93          0       63   
    6    Brian Edmondson           -1.27     5.84     4.57     94          0       68

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    Re: lack of passion

    Will someone please explain what these "fundamentals" are?
    Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David

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    Re: lack of passion

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM
    Will someone please explain what these "fundamentals" are?
    The little things, like sacrificing big hits for situational hitting, stealing and not striking out.
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    Re: lack of passion

    Yeah, so the little things don't matter. Gotcha. And did I NOT mention the 1999 team had a great bullpen? Would you really like the Reds to model themselves after the 2005 Red Sox? How did the White Sox do? How about the Indians? The Angels? And which color of sock won the World Series again? I could have sworn it was white...

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    The year he was referencing, the socks were Red.
    Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David

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    Would you really like the Reds to model themselves after the 2005 Red Sox?
    You mean mirror a team that uses its legacy and fanbase to generate a steady revenue and then pours it into a quality and healthy MLB system that employs the best and the brightest in the business?

    Nah... I like the Royals model better.


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