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    Thoughts on Narron?

    I'm interested to see what people think of the job Jerry Narron has done. I wasn't posting here for a while, so was kind of out of the loop. I think for the most part he's done a good job with us. The second half of last year he really seemed to get the most out of what he had, and I think he can do more of the same this year. Thoughts on Narron?

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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    Anyone who plays Womack over Freel gets an automatic D-minus on his report card.

    Plus he's playing Hatteberg at 1B and Dunn in LF instead of Dunn at 1B, Denorfia in CF, and Griffey in LF. That puts him in the remedial class.
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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    Hahahaha. Well I see where you stand. Yeah, I too wish he would learn from Joe Torre's mistake, and not even remotely think about using Tony Womack.

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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    I agree with JF whole heartedly on the management.

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    I don't think Jerry manages the team the right way.
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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    He manages like a man who believes that milking a few extra wins out of the team by playing veterans with low ceilings (Hatteberg, Womack, Rick White, Chris Hammond) over younger guys with upside (Denorfia, Freel, Wagner, Shackelford) will help him stay employed. He calls himself a "baseball guy", yet won't accept that an average 2B with a .360 OBP and speed is a better option than a bad 2B with a .310 OBP and speed. He allowed someone from up above him to give Adam Dunn a promise to move back to LF as part of his LTC which keeps a 36 year old at 1B and keeps Denorfia & Freel out of LF which would make this a better team.

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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    He's more of the same around here, Bob Boone p.2
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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    In respect for rule #5 in the guidlines of RedsZone, let me say this...

    Some things are better left unsaid.

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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    Well, I agree about some of the moves, but on the same hand, I think his hand is kind of forced by Krivsky. Keep in mind, Narron isn't "Krivsky's guy," and i'm sure Krivsky is itching to get one of his own in there, so if Narron is less willing to play some of these crap veterans, that in turn makes Krivsky looks bad, which would pretty much seal up Narron's fate. I'm not saying that's the only reason, but I think it should be taken into consideration

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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    Jerry seems to be an expert at picking the correct PH this year so far...

    * Opening Day
    > 4 PH chances for the REDS. The batters go 2-for-2 with 2 walks, 1 single, 1 double, 1 run scored and 1 RBI.

    SLG = 1.500
    B.A. = 1.000
    OBP = 1.000
    OPS = 2.500

    Narron seems to be a genius at picking the right bench player to hit for someone else!
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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    Anyone who plays Womack over Freel gets an automatic D-minus on his report card.

    Plus he's playing Hatteberg at 1B and Dunn in LF instead of Dunn at 1B, Denorfia in CF, and Griffey in LF. That puts him in the remedial class.
    I agree 100%.
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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy
    Well, I agree about some of the moves, but on the same hand, I think his hand is kind of forced by Krivsky. Keep in mind, Narron isn't "Krivsky's guy," and i'm sure Krivsky is itching to get one of his own in there, so if Narron is less willing to play some of these crap veterans, that in turn makes Krivsky looks bad, which would pretty much seal up Narron's fate. I'm not saying that's the only reason, but I think it should be taken into consideration
    Why is it a given that Krivsky's itching to "get one of his own" in the manager's chair. I know a number of us having been saying that with the late transfer of ownership, we're way behind the curve on many, many things. The new GM came late to the game on just about every transaction.

    I'm of an open mind on Jerry Narron. I'm not convinced he's the loser many people on this board think he is, but I'm not convinced he's the next Sparky Anderson. This will be only his second full year managing a club, assuming that he makes it through the year. Interestingly, I think the 2002 Rangers club he managed for a full year is not dissimilar to this club. Some great bats in the line-up and a fair pitching staff. Even looking at their bullpen reminds me of ours. They only had 33 saves that year, finishing 4th in the division. I'm never anxious to hear Narron speak - that drawl just wears on me.

    I'd like to think we can do better. I can't say we will. But I'm not convinced that Krivsky is itching to get someone else in there. I keep saying this, but we need the better part of a year to see how this all shakes out. Curses on MLB for dragging their feet on the transfer of ownership, but that's what we're stuck with. Let's see if we can win a few ballgames and rebuild this great tradition.

    BTW, in looking at Baseball-reference.com, I was looking at Sparky's second year (1971) and the Reds went 79-83, finishing 5th in the West. You can see how the pieces were just ready to fall into place. Another surprise in looking at that club was I had forgotten that Gary Nolan pitched for the Reds all the way into 1977 - I thought he had flamed out in the early 70's, but he put up identical 15-9 records for the Big Red Machine years. Just an interesting aside.

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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    Anyone who plays Womack over Freel gets an automatic D-minus on his report card.
    I've been pondering whether Womack is getting the starts to bolster his trade value, sort of "Hey look, he's our starter!". I know that sounds far fetched, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Of course, it might be followed with "Hey, you want to buy a bridge" or "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!".

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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    I didn't pay as much attention to Narron's in-game management in terms of pitchers at the end of last year as the bad feelings surrounding the team had worn me down, but I was a whole lot distraught over his sending Harang back out in the 6th on Monday with a pitch count already at 88. I was even more distraught that he left him out there after the walk that started that inning.

    Not real bright.

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    Re: Thoughts on Narron?

    Redsmetz i agree with you on Narron. And I'm not convinced that Krivsky wants his own guy in there, per se, but I think it is a possibliity


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