Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena, if, let's say, they had not accepted cash for Pena, and if they had been willing to raise the payroll by perhaps up to $5 million a year for each deal? Why or why not? Also, who (if anyone) do you think they could or should have gotten under such circumstances?
Casey maybe
WMP nope
Originally Posted by Scooter
Doubt it on both.
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possibly on Casey. I think DanO settled for whatever the Pirates offered. They had no use for Williams and didn't want to pay him.
I don't think so. Not for WMP -- believe it or not, many nonparial non-reds/Red Sox fans I've talked to have been very surprised the Reds were able to have a straight-up trade for Arroyo. Casey, after all, was not a straight-up trade. I still think that was partially a salary dump, and given the timing and Casey's age, a pretty wise one.
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
nobody else wanted casey IMO
School's out. What did you expect?
Casey's numbers in 2005
.312AVG/.371OBP/.423SLG/.794OPS
Overbay's numbers in 2005
.276AVG/.367OBP/.449/SLG.816OPS
Casey will make $8.5 mil in 2006
Overbay will make $2.25 mil in 2006
Casey will turn 32 this year
Overbay just turned 29
Casey netted Dave Williams and cash
Lyle Overbay netted Gabe Gross, Zach Jackson and David Bush
So I think it's safe to say that the Reds got much less for Casey than they should have. Or you could say that the Brewers committed highway robbery of the Blue Jays. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
What were the homer and RBI comparison? I honestly don't know.
Also Casey make over $6 mil more, I bet that had something to do with it.
didn't the Reds throw in $2M+?
Yes they did you are correct. I am still curious to see the homer and rbi numbers tho.
If they are anywhere close, then either A. we could have got more or B. the Jays got fleeced.
Could Jack have gotten more for that cow than a handful of beans?
Perception is 9/10ths of the truth. I'd venture (without having ever spoken to these mythical "baseball execs" who make such deals) that the perception around baseball is that Overbay has better days in front of him, and that Casey's best days are behind him.
When you add in that Casey makes $6 million more than Overbay, hit 10 fewer home runs than Overbay, 13 fewer XBHs, and knocked in 14 fewer RBI -- it probably made him less of a desireable commodity.
I think the Reds might've been able to get better, but only because I think Dave Williams is just a shade above worthless.
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Funny how the tone on the Pena/Arroyo deal has changed so fast around here.
I don't know, there was a lot of debate but that's because a lot of people supported the deal.
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
Always possibilties!
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