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    Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena, if, let's say, they had not accepted cash for Pena, and if they had been willing to raise the payroll by perhaps up to $5 million a year for each deal? Why or why not? Also, who (if anyone) do you think they could or should have gotten under such circumstances?

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Casey maybe
    WMP nope
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Doubt it on both.
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    possibly on Casey. I think DanO settled for whatever the Pirates offered. They had no use for Williams and didn't want to pay him.
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    I don't think so. Not for WMP -- believe it or not, many nonparial non-reds/Red Sox fans I've talked to have been very surprised the Reds were able to have a straight-up trade for Arroyo. Casey, after all, was not a straight-up trade. I still think that was partially a salary dump, and given the timing and Casey's age, a pretty wise one.
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    nobody else wanted casey IMO
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Casey's numbers in 2005
    .312AVG/.371OBP/.423SLG/.794OPS
    Overbay's numbers in 2005
    .276AVG/.367OBP/.449/SLG.816OPS

    Casey will make $8.5 mil in 2006
    Overbay will make $2.25 mil in 2006

    Casey will turn 32 this year
    Overbay just turned 29

    Casey netted Dave Williams and cash
    Lyle Overbay netted Gabe Gross, Zach Jackson and David Bush

    So I think it's safe to say that the Reds got much less for Casey than they should have. Or you could say that the Brewers committed highway robbery of the Blue Jays. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19
    Casey's numbers in 2005
    .312AVG/.371OBP/.423SLG/.794OPS
    Overbay's numbers in 2005
    .276AVG/.367OBP/.449/SLG.816OPS

    Casey will make $8.5 mil in 2006
    Overbay will make $2.25 mil in 2006

    Casey will turn 32 this year
    Overbay just turned 29

    Casey netted Dave Williams and cash
    Lyle Overbay netted Gabe Gross, Zach Jackson and David Bush

    So I think it's safe to say that the Reds got much less for Casey than they could have.
    What were the homer and RBI comparison? I honestly don't know.

    Also Casey make over $6 mil more, I bet that had something to do with it.
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44
    What were the homer and RBI comparison? I honestly don't know.

    Also Casey make over $6 mil more, I bet that had something to do with it.
    didn't the Reds throw in $2M+?
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    didn't the Reds throw in $2M+?
    Yes they did you are correct. I am still curious to see the homer and rbi numbers tho.

    If they are anywhere close, then either A. we could have got more or B. the Jays got fleeced.
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Could Jack have gotten more for that cow than a handful of beans?

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19
    So I think it's safe to say that the Reds got much less for Casey than they should have. Or you could say that the Brewers committed highway robbery of the Blue Jays. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
    Perception is 9/10ths of the truth. I'd venture (without having ever spoken to these mythical "baseball execs" who make such deals) that the perception around baseball is that Overbay has better days in front of him, and that Casey's best days are behind him.

    When you add in that Casey makes $6 million more than Overbay, hit 10 fewer home runs than Overbay, 13 fewer XBHs, and knocked in 14 fewer RBI -- it probably made him less of a desireable commodity.

    I think the Reds might've been able to get better, but only because I think Dave Williams is just a shade above worthless.
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Funny how the tone on the Pena/Arroyo deal has changed so fast around here.

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Quote Originally Posted by kbrake
    Funny how the tone on the Pena/Arroyo deal has changed so fast around here.
    I don't know, there was a lot of debate but that's because a lot of people supported the deal.
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Always possibilties!
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