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Thread: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Casey - nope, you got value.

    Pena - I think yes, but only if you had waited until July. It would have been a risk, but one I would have taken myself. Of course there is a reason why I work in healthcare and not baseball...
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Don't know if they could have gotten more for Casey, but they couldn't have gotten much less.

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Could trading Kearns gotten more than Pena?

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Quote Originally Posted by corkedbat
    Don't know if they could have gotten more for Casey, but they couldn't have gotten much less.
    On Casey, I'd have liked seeing another player thrown in, perhaps a AA pitcher. I think we got too little for Casey and think he'll be a great fit for Pittsburgh, both on and off the field. His numbers may not be stellar, but I don't think you can calculate the value he will bring to that clubhouse, particular with Tracy managing them now. I've said all along that Williams himself was shocked that it was a straight up trade (albeit with the cash flowing over from the Reds).

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Quote Originally Posted by kbrake
    Funny how the tone on the Pena/Arroyo deal has changed so fast around here.
    I don't think so. Most Zoners were all for getting Arroyo at the time of the trade. There is a big difference between wanting more in a deal than not wanting the deal at all.
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    DanO could have done a better sell job on Casey.

    The Pirates wanted him badly, being a hometown boy and all. DanO could have talked up his .370 OBP, and his 2004 numbers. Heck, he could have landed prospects instead of Dave Williams, maybe paying a bit of Casey's salary to get a better return.

    Pena was a different story in my mind.
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Could Casey have brought more? Maybe, but that wasn't the goal. His trade was a salary dump, and to free up first base for Dunn and unclog the outfield. That didn't work out the way it was drawn up, but I believe that was the idea at the time.

    Could we have got more for Pena? Maybe, but we got what we needed, dealing from surplus into need.

    You don't win every trade. Sometimes you overpay to fill a need. Deals don't happen in a vacuum, and can't be analyzed without a myriad of other factors being weighed.
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    Could Casey have brought more? Maybe, but that wasn't the goal. His trade was a salary dump, and to free up first base for Dunn and unclog the outfield. That didn't work out the way it was drawn up, but I believe that was the idea at the time.

    Could we have got more for Pena? Maybe, but we got what we needed, dealing from surplus into need.

    You don't win every trade. Sometimes you overpay to fill a need. Deals don't happen in a vacuum, and can't be analyzed without a myriad of other factors being weighed.
    Of course it was a salary dump, but what good came from it. The team made a little extra money. The fans don't benefit from a salary dump unless the money is put back into the team. The Casey trade makes some sense if Pena is kept. I don't see how it makes sense to trade both Pena and Casey. I think the Reds would have been better off keeping Casey and dealing Pena for Arroyo.

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Quote Originally Posted by corkedbat
    Don't know if they could have gotten more for Casey, but they couldn't have gotten much less.
    Very true.

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    They could have done better on both deals.

    But we've debated this endlessly on other threads.
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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    The Reds should have sweetened the pot with Casey and another offensive player, such as Freel to replace Mocowiak, to get one of the major league ready, cheap young arms away from the Pirates. Of course, much like the Reds are way too slow in their pursuit of pitching while holding on to a boatload of offense, the Pirates still don't seem to recognize that they may have an excess of good young pitching but year after year have a pitiful offense that turns losing low scoring games into an art form much like the Reds have done so with high scoring games.

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life
    Most Zoners were all for getting Arroyo at the time of the trade.
    I would disagree with that.

    Most 'zoners didn't really know a whole lot about Arroyo. They just knew that they got a pitcher for an outfielder.

    Could the Reds have gotten more for Pena? Perhaps. If they had waited till mid-season. What the people that objected to the deal was that it didn't really do anything to get the Reds to the WS. Now, we're simply in the race for 5th place. Whoopee!

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Quote Originally Posted by remdog
    I would disagree with that.

    Most 'zoners didn't really know a whole lot about Arroyo. They just knew that they got a pitcher for an outfielder.

    Could the Reds have gotten more for Pena? Perhaps. If they had waited till mid-season. What the people that objected to the deal was that it didn't really do anything to get the Reds to the WS. Now, we're simply in the race for 5th place. Whoopee!

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    That's hogwash. There is a megapost thread that discusses nearly everything but what Arroyo eats for breakfast and what kind of toilet paper he uses. And that might be in there somewhere, I might have just missed it because of all the posts.

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    Now, we're simply in the race for 5th place. Whoopee!
    As if any other sort of place was attainable?

    If most "zoners" didn't know who Arroyo was by your POV, I'll counter that most of them also know that there's a snowball's chance in hell of the Reds even finishing 2nd in their division, with Arroyo or Pena or even both on the team.

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    Re: Could the Reds have possibly gotten more for Sean Casey and Wily Mo Pena?

    The only way I see getting more value for Casey was trading him a couple of years earlier...same with WMP.

    I like the deal with the BoSox and did at the time of the trade...we need arms more than we need a 4th OF with the masssive power of WMP.
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