No argument there.Originally Posted by KronoRed
I think that's another earthquake
This teade didn't need to result in Hatteberg becoming a starter, Freel could be out in left with Richy at 2nd and the Reds O would be a lot better off.
The Reds made this trade worse by handing a job over to Hattberg and Womack.
What the trade did do was give the Reds an excuse to move Dunn off first, where he would be more valuable. From there, the rest is just mismanagement.
Rem
As you said, that was two years ago.
Rem
No, I said the "last two years."
But hey it was 2 years ago the WMP hit 26 HR's too.
I believe the thinking is if he is pitching for the Reds, he can't possibly be any good. So just wipe those 61 starts away and start from the idea that Arroyo is crap. Go from there.
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
That's right I forgot it's the Reds who hold all the trump cards, that's why they have a .488 winning percentage since the 1994 srike.
No, I'm thinking that his skills are declining which has been detailed elsewhere in this thread.
It truly saddens me to see Reds supporters make excuses for this trade as a good one because they are happy to have a shot at 5th place.
I'm done. Those of you happy with this trade can talk amonst yourselves and continue to tell each other fairytales.
Rem
...you mean like "his skills are declining" based off of a one year decline in K totals?
Sure, I'll get right on that. Based on that assessment, Pena's skills are also in decline. Next argument, please.
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
Ok, thanks Rem.
School's out. What did you expect?
Nice....I'm done. Those of you happy with this trade can talk amonst yourselves and continue to tell each other fairytales.
It was a sharp decline, much sharper than WMP's drop in OBP.
But project 2004 and 2005 out over 550 AB's. That may not spell star to you woy, but it comes pretty damn close. Now project Arroyo out to a full season of stats.. wait he had full seasons both years. One pretty good in 2004, not so good in 2005.
Sory, but no. I don't trade the guy that projects to hit around 40 HR's for a guy That might get you 5 K's every 5th day and requires you to score more than 4.5 runs to win.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Too bad he has to play both ways, and face RH's 65% of the time.But project 2004 and 2005 out over 550 AB's. That may not spell star to you woy, but it comes pretty damn close.
Frankly I'm not going to hold my breath that he'll get a full season of at bats in Boston.
There is no such thing as a star with a .310 OBP in a high powered offensive era like the one we're currently in. In fact, Wily Mo Pena's career relative OBP is 0.89. For a corner outfielder, that's nothing more than a gaping, out-making machine in the lineup in addition to a severe liability in the field defensively.
To put it in perspective how lousy Pena's OBP is, Tony Womack's career OBP is 12 points higher than Wily Mo Pena's, and Womack's relative OBP is also higher at 0.91.
The Lost Decade Average Season: 74-88
2014-22 Average Season: 71-91
WMP is what BF thinks Dunn is.
School's out. What did you expect?
But Wily is a "ballplayer"
Go Gators!
ok that's just mean.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
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