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    O'brien really was clueless

    This quote for Dayton Daily News:

    "If one wonders if Casey would have been traded had O'Brien been fired after last season, take note. New owner Bob Castellini signed off on the trade, but insiders say he was told by O'Brien and some of his baseball people that the Reds were getting a No. 1 pitcher in Williams."

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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    I need some clarification before passing judgment on DOB's comment! Did DOB mean:

    (1) A #1 starter for the REDS...

    -or-

    (2) A #1 starter for other MLB teams?

    I think there is quite a difference in the meaning of these two things.

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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    Last time Dave Williams was a #1 starter was when he was in high school.
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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    Quote Originally Posted by StillFunkyB
    Last time Dave Williams was a #1 starter was when he was in high school.
    Dave Williams wasn't even the #1 starter on his high school team! ...he played high school ball with Pirates pitcher Ian Snell.
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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    Last time Dave Williams was a #1 he was pitching for Frank's Lube and Oil.
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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    Quote Originally Posted by michst
    This quote for Dayton Daily News:

    "If one wonders if Casey would have been traded had O'Brien been fired after last season, take note. New owner Bob Castellini signed off on the trade, but insiders say he was told by O'Brien and some of his baseball people that the Reds were getting a No. 1 pitcher in Williams."

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    one would think that trading Casey with Castellini signing off on it was test of DanO's that he failed miserably.
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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    Quote Originally Posted by michst
    This quote for Dayton Daily News:

    New owner Bob Castellini signed off on the trade, but insiders say he was told by O'Brien and some of his baseball people that the Reds were getting a No. 1 pitcher in Williams."

    Doesn't that make Cast clueless, too?
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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    There seem to be three options here:

    1) Castellini is trying to save face and leave the door open for a Casey return (hope I'm wrong on that one)

    2) These insiders are the same ones that fed Hal the Jim Beattie for GM false information

    3) Castellini has the dough (or lettuce) and needs to meddle as little as possible in baseball operations other than to say "how much is this gonna cost me?"

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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    Quote Originally Posted by max venable
    Doesn't that make Cast clueless, too?
    I don't think your owner is supposed to be more baseball savvy than your GM...
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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader
    I don't think your owner is supposed to be more baseball savvy than your GM...
    Bingo.

    Something tells me that the previous regime wanted to trade Casey to get a pitcher, any pitcher out of it.

    It's DanO being DanO. To quote Bob Seger....turn the page.
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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    Quote Originally Posted by max venable
    Doesn't that make Cast clueless, too?
    I wouldn't be too concerned about an owner who doesn't know much about Pittsburgh Pirates players. All he needs to do is have good people running baseball operations. Steinbrenner doesn't know much about baseball as is evidenced by organizational blunders when he starts with his "we gotta win the WS no matter the cost" meddling. I don't see an owner needing to know players by name and numbers as an indication of what type of owner he'll be.

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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader
    I don't think your owner is supposed to be more baseball savvy than your GM...
    the exception being the greatest owner of all time: George Steinbrenner



    ah, knew i couldn't keep a straight face.

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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    Quote Originally Posted by max venable
    Doesn't that make Cast clueless, too?
    Yes but that comes with a Handicap. He's not expected to know who is or is not a #1 Starter (or Potential #1). O'Brien "should" know.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    maybe LaRussa told him that Williams was a future no. 1

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    Re: O'brien really was clueless

    Maybe we could flip Williams to LaRussa for Reyes since he's so high on him.


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