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    Mr. Dickey, I know Phil Niekro...

    Well, not really, but Dickey is no Phil Niekro quite yet.

    I saw this display on Sportscenter last night. I'm guessing Buck didn't want to burn his bullpen...oh yea, its day 4 of the season.

    Anyhow, I bolded what seems to be a pretty darn good excuse for Reds' pitchers to use from here on out, especially Milton Maybe they could get t-shirts for the whole staff with that phrase printed on it.

    ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) -- R.A. Dickey thought his knuckleball was working really well while warming up in the bullpen before the game.

    Then Brandon Inge homered on the game's second pitch -- and it only got worse for the Texas Rangers pitcher.

    The Detroit Tigers hit six homers against Dickey, tying the post-1900 major league record in a 10-6 victory Thursday night.

    "When you let go of the ball, you're at the mercy of the way the ball is going to move," said Dickey, who only converted to the pitch last season. "It was moving right into their bats."

    Five of the homers were solo shots. The only major league pitcher to give up more homers was Charlie Sweeney of the St. Louis Maroons, who allowed seven to the Detroit Wolverines in an American Association game on June 12, 1886.

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    Magglio Ordonez and Chris Shelton each homered twice for the Tigers, who hit seven in all and raised their total to a major league-leading 15 in three games.

    "Something like that probably won't happen again for a long, long time," Detroit manager Jim Leyland said. "It's just one of those freak things. They hit it, got it up in the air, the ball was carrying and they popped it on the good part of the bat."

    Dickey (0-1) gave up eight hits and seven runs.

    "If you look for positives, some of the homers were solos, but I'm really reaching," Texas manager Buck Showalter said.

    After Inge started the power surge, Ordonez hit another homer in the first.

    Shelton homered leading off the second inning and went deep again in the fourth, raising his season total to four. Craig Monroe and Marcus Thames hit back-to-back drives later that inning, and Showalter finally pulled Dickey with Texas trailing 7-0.

    "It wasn't doing what he wanted," Inge said. "The ones that did were up, over the plate."

    Detroit Tigers third baseman Brandon Inge fields a hit from Texas Rangers' Phil Nevin in the eigth inning of their Major League Baseball game Thursday night, April 6, 2006, in Arlington, Texas. Inge made the throw to first to get the out. Detroit won the game 10-6.
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    It was the sixth time a big league pitcher has given up six homers, the fourth time in the AL. The previous pitcher to do it was Boston's Tim Wakefield -- another knuckleballer -- against Detroit on Aug. 8, 2004. Wakefield ended up winning that game, beating Nate Robertson.

    This time, Robertson (1-0) did a lot better job with his run support.

    "If I had that every time out, I'd go 32-, 33-0," said Robertson, who allowed three runs and eight hits in 5 1-3 innings, striking out four.

    The Rangers record for homers allowed by a pitcher had been five.

    Ordonez also homered against Brian Shouse in the ninth. The seven homers allowed was another record for Texas.

    Showalter wouldn't commit to keeping Dickey in the Rangers' rotation, but seemed to be leaning that way.

    "Knuckleball guys are going to have their ups and downs," Showalter said. "This was a down for R.A., who's had some good ones for us. We'll sit down and talk about it."

    Catcher Rod Barajas noted that more than two-thirds of Dickey's pitches were strikes.

    "He got ahead of the hitters quite a bit," Barajas said. "I think we're going to have to start throwing the knuckleball a little bit off the plate and make these guys chase it."

    Leyland loaded his lineup with right-handed batters because he has observed they usually have greater success than left-handers do against right-handed knuckleballers. Switch-hitters Dmitri Young and Carlos Guillen batted right-handed. Thames replaced the lefty-hitting Curtis Granderson, with Monroe shifting from left to center field.

    Texas rookie Ian Kinsler hit his first major league homer and Mark Teixeira doubled twice. After Detroit built a 10-3 lead, Michael Young hit a three-run double off Fernando Rodney in the ninth.

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    Mark DeRosa, who started at third base for Texas, left during the fourth inning because of a lower left leg strain. He was to be re-evaluated. Hank Blalock replaced DeRosa. ... The Tigers presented their scout of the year award to Tim Grieve, the son of Rangers broadcaster and former general manager Tom Grieve. Among the players the younger Grieve signed is RHP Jordan Tata, who made his major league debut in relief. ... Rangers LHP Fabio Castro also made his debut.

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    Re: Mr. Dickey, I know Phil Niekro...

    Ok, read the rest of the article, and there is just genius in these two dugouts:

    "Something like that probably won't happen again for a long, long time," Detroit manager Jim Leyland said. "It's just one of those freak things. They hit it, got it up in the air, the ball was carrying and they popped it on the good part of the bat."
    Hmmm, is that right, Jim. That seems very unusual for a home run.

    "It wasn't doing what he wanted," Inge said. "The ones that did were up, over the plate."
    Really, Brandon. You mean R.A. did not want to give up six homers yesterday, or have the ball move into their bats? Can't get anything by these baseball men.

    Catcher Rod Barajas noted that more than two-thirds of Dickey's pitches were strikes.

    "He got ahead of the hitters quite a bit," Barajas said. "I think we're going to have to start throwing the knuckleball a little bit off the plate and make these guys chase it."
    Um, ok, good luck with that, Rod.
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    Re: Mr. Dickey, I know Phil Niekro...

    Those were some moon shots he gave up.

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    Re: Mr. Dickey, I know Phil Niekro...

    The Rangers look awful so far. Showalter will do well to survive this season.

    Meanwhile Chris Shelton is having a huge start to the season.
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    Re: Mr. Dickey, I know Phil Niekro...

    Funny how we raided Texas for G.M. and other talent.

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    Re: Mr. Dickey, I know Phil Niekro...

    Quote Originally Posted by RBA
    Funny how we raided Texas for G.M. and other talent.
    Stole DanO right from under their noses. Van Poppel and Kozlowski too, just to name a few They'll never be the same.

    Of course, Krivsky has Rangers roots as well, don't forget.
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    Re: Mr. Dickey, I know Phil Niekro...

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    The Rangers look awful so far. Showalter will do well to survive this season.
    As a Red Sox fan, I'm hoping that a heavy dose of Schilling, Beckett, and Papelbon in a 3-game series has that effect on a lot of teams, but Loe and Padilla looked really good for them, and Millwood will have better days. A first-time knuckleballer isn't the best way to break out of it, but I think the Rangers have a good shot to be a lot better than the record so far would indicate, just probably not good enough to make a dent in that division.

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    Re: Mr. Dickey, I know Phil Niekro...

    I've heard Niekro and Charlie Huff tell guys that you can't be a halfway knuckler, you either should throw it once in a blue moon or go full bore - otherwise you'll never get good enough at it to last.

    Dickey picked up the pitch last fall. If you watched the game, before the 4th inning he looked decent and was missing some bats with his pitch down in the zone. Then in the 4th he left a ton of knucklers up high, and it was batting practice time. He's probably thrown 10-20 real live game innings as a knuckleball pitcher. He probably needs a few hundred more to feel more comfortable, at a minimum.

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    Re: Mr. Dickey, I know Phil Niekro...

    Phil and Joe Neikro graduated from my high school


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