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    Is it really Great American?

    17 homeruns have been hit in Cincinnati this year already, and the sportswriters are quick to take notice of the "hitter-friendly" park. Most of the homeruns I've seen have been shots that would clear the fences in any park.

    I realize the numbers don't lie: Last year GABP allowed the 3rd-highest HR total, I believe. I tend to subscribe to the theory that it is the result of "pitching to contact" more than it is the design of the park. Comparing the dimensions to other MLB stadiums, it really isn't that much smaller.

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    When hitters are smashing 420-foot bombs, the pitchers can't blame it on the ballpark.
    Sometimes it's the way the park allows the ball to carry that makes it go that far.
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    Re: Is it really Great American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner
    Sometimes it's the way the park allows the ball to carry that makes it go that far.
    I don't remember Riverfront getting as much press about the HR total that GABP gets, and it's the same air. Do you think it is the open-end design that promotes the extra carry?

    Even so, I still contend that the homeruns I've seen hit this year would have been HRs anywhere. Carry doesn't matter when the ball is hit that far in the first place.
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    Re: Is it really Great American?

    I'd blame the pitching.
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    I don't know why people are upset about how many hrs are hit, everyone loves the long ball.

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    Re: Is it really Great American?

    Reds have a bunch of pitchers who tend to give up the gopher-ball. Reds have a bunch of hitters who tend to hit the gopher ball. I would vote that this is more of a case of players skewing the stats for the ballpark than the other way around.

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    If Krivsky is able to normalize this team over the next 5 years, I think the reputation of GABP as a hitters park will vanish.

    Baseball Prospectus and other publications have already shown that it's somewhat of a home run park, but not ridiculously so. Offensively, it's pretty neutral (suppressing singles to make up for the nudge in homers).

    Unfortunately, the math involved is kinda complicated, so we'll have to wait until we have a real pitching staff, and a non-elite offense for it to show to the layman. (And I consider 95% of baseball writers to be laymen).
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    I dunno. When you have a pitcher who is striking out 10 batters in a game and only giving up 8 hits i find it hard to believe Its JUST THE PITCHERS when they leave the game in the 6th with an 8 ERA giving up 5 runs cause of 2 HRS

    Take away those HRs and he gave up 1 run and prolly threw about 10 less pitches and makes it to the 7th inning.
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    Re: Is it really Great American?

    Bad pitching is still the easiest way to make the ball go far.
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    Re: Is it really Great American?

    Quote Originally Posted by GridironGrace
    I dunno. When you have a pitcher who is striking out 10 batters in a game and only giving up 8 hits i find it hard to believe Its JUST THE PITCHERS when they leave the game in the 6th with an 8 ERA giving up 5 runs cause of 2 HRS

    Take away those HRs and he gave up 1 run and prolly threw about 10 less pitches and makes it to the 7th inning.

    Harang served up just one HR today to Castillo and it got out in a hurry. I thought Harang pitched pretty well -- heck, all you have to do is keep the opposition in single digits and the Reds have a fighting chance. Fact is, the Reds starters don't have the luxury of putting a couple of guys on base and having a pen to bail them out of trouble. Harang wore out and Burns couldn't shut the door on the inning which would have preserved a "quality start."

    In the end, he got the W and that's what matters most.

    Back on topic: I think all HRs that were hit today would have been HRs anywhere. Aurilia, Kearns, and Castillo all connected.
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    Re: Is it really Great American?

    I wish it had bigger gaps. Triples are alot of fun. Doubles too.
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    Re: Is it really Great American?

    Quote Originally Posted by BoydsOfSummer
    I wish it had bigger gaps. Triples are alot of fun. Doubles too.
    Like I said..take out the walls

    Love to see some guys trying to track balls down before they roll into the river
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    Re: Is it really Great American?

    Bad pitching + great hitting background.

    If they want to nuetralize this ballpark they should muddy up the hitter's background a bit. Apparently hitters see the ball really well in the GAB. If so, it is not surprising that they hit the ball really far.

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    Re: Is it really Great American?

    If the outfield was bigger it may cut down on the homers but it wouldn't reduce the era. Our outfielders can't cover a whole lot of ground. They are in there for power not speed or "D".

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    Re: Is it really Great American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Heeler
    Reds have a bunch of pitchers who tend to give up the gopher-ball. Reds have a bunch of hitters who tend to hit the gopher ball. I would vote that this is more of a case of players skewing the stats for the ballpark than the other way around.
    Nah.

    Over the last three years (2003-2005), there have been 1262 HRs hit in games involving the Reds (Reds HR + Opponents HR). Of those 1262 HR, 681 (54%) have been at the GABP while only 581 (46%) have been hit on the road. That 8% difference is pretty darn big and has been escalating. Last year (2005), the gap was 12% with 441 total HR, 246 at the GABP (56%) and 195 on the road (44%).

    In each of the last three years, the Reds + their opponents have hit more homers at the GABP than they have on the opponents home turf. That is what we stats-geeks call a trend. There can be no doubt about it ... the GABP is a fairly extreme HR park.


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