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    #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    I was listening to Marty and Jones this morning on WLW, and they were debating the Roger Clemens situation.... will he, won't he?.... who cares?

    Anyway - they both agreed that he is the greatest pitcher all-time.

    If you had to choose one pitcher - and one pitcher only (none of these top 5 lists )...

    who would you choose?

    Would it be a Clemens?

    Or someone from the deadball era, such as a Walter Johnson, Cy Young, Christy Mathewson?

    Nolan Ryan?

    Sandy Koufax, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton, Bob Gibson (my favorites growing up. Gibson was lights out! )

    If I had to chose though, it would be Walter Johnson.
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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    I'd go with Gibson, but he's only a hair better IMO than Clemens. Imagine Clemens pitching in the 60's!
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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC
    I was listening to Marty and Jones this morning on WLW,
    Why torture yourself?
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    Chip is right

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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R
    Why torture yourself?
    I was driving home from the chiropractor, and I needed something to distract my mind from the pain/pinched nerve in my lower back.

    They did it.
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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    Another interesting note to consider is that waaaaay back then, those guys didn't have relief pitchers/bullpen.
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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    Sandy Koufax
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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    Sandy Koufax
    Yup, not even close.
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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    Yup, not even close.
    Koufax had only four seasons with an ERA+ of 160 or better. Randy Johnson's done it seven times. Lefty Grove did it seven times. Greg Maddux has done it seven times. Pedro Martinez did it seven times in a row (with a career-best of 285 compared to 190 for Koufax -- Maddux 273, Grove 219, Johnson 196). Clemens has done it eight times with a career-best of 226 (in 1997). Walter Johnson also did it eight times with a career-best of 259.

    I agree it's not even close with Koufax, it's just that he's the one who's not even close. Amazing pitcher, but his legend far exceeds his accomplishments.
    Wait until the year after next year.

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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    I agree it's not even close with Koufax, it's just that he's the one who's not even close. Amazing pitcher, but his legend far exceeds his accomplishments.
    I'd like to add here that it depends on how you define greatness. The measure of a man (in my eyes) is not composed wholly of his stat line.

    That's why I'd make a crappy GM.
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    Koufax. All the way.
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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    Lefty Grove or Ed Walsh before 1910

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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    The Big Train, Walter Johnson.
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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    sid fernandez, no wait, i would go with the rocket

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    Bronson Arroyo

    Personally, I've always been a Nolan Ryan fan.
    My dad got to enjoy 3 Reds World Championships by the time he was my age. So far, I've only gotten to enjoy one. Step it up Redlegs!

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    Walter Johnson.
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