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    #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    I was listening to Marty and Jones this morning on WLW, and they were debating the Roger Clemens situation.... will he, won't he?.... who cares?

    Anyway - they both agreed that he is the greatest pitcher all-time.

    If you had to choose one pitcher - and one pitcher only (none of these top 5 lists )...

    who would you choose?

    Would it be a Clemens?

    Or someone from the deadball era, such as a Walter Johnson, Cy Young, Christy Mathewson?

    Nolan Ryan?

    Sandy Koufax, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton, Bob Gibson (my favorites growing up. Gibson was lights out! )

    If I had to chose though, it would be Walter Johnson.
    "panic" only comes from having real expectations

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    I'd go with Gibson, but he's only a hair better IMO than Clemens. Imagine Clemens pitching in the 60's!
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC
    I was listening to Marty and Jones this morning on WLW,
    Why torture yourself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R
    Why torture yourself?
    I was driving home from the chiropractor, and I needed something to distract my mind from the pain/pinched nerve in my lower back.

    They did it.
    "panic" only comes from having real expectations

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    Another interesting note to consider is that waaaaay back then, those guys didn't have relief pitchers/bullpen.
    "panic" only comes from having real expectations

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    Sandy Koufax
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    Koufax. All the way.
    "It's easier to give up. I'm not a very vocal player. I lead by example. I take the attitude that I've got to go out and do it. Because of who I am, I've got to give everything I've got to come back."
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    Lefty Grove or Ed Walsh before 1910

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    The Big Train, Walter Johnson.
    Small market fan... always hoping, but never expecting.

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    sid fernandez, no wait, i would go with the rocket

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    Bronson Arroyo

    Personally, I've always been a Nolan Ryan fan.
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    Walter Johnson.
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    Jose Rijo
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    Three-Finger Brown
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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    If it's one game, with the guy at the peak of his prime, I'll take Pedro Martinez circa 2000.

    It's hard with the older guys to appropriately account for the proper context. The pre WWII guys with the shallower talent pool and frequent cheating via scuffing, etc., Koufax with the dead ball and higher mound, etc.

    Pedro was absolutely insanely dominant in a homer friendly era in a hitter's park.

    217 IP (7.5 IP/GS), 1.74 ERA (285 ERA+), 284 K (11.8 K/9), 0.74 WHIP.

    Attitude wise on the mound, Pedro is probably as close as you'll get to a Bob Gibson -- just ask Jose Guillen.

    BTW - to me, when you are talking about the "greatest of all-time" you are referring to their absolute peak skills. It's not "greatest career" in which it would be hard to refute Clemens, but the best if you took them at their best. For what it's worth, Bob Gibson's 1968 season, once adjusted for context, is pretty much worse than Pedro's 2000 in every way.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 04-12-2006 at 12:43 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.


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