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    And in all that time you probably never saw anyone pitch in such an extreme pitchers park in such an extreme pitching era.

    For every Sandy Koufax super season there was a Willie Davis crummy season on the other side of the coin, or a Juan Marichell/Hal Lanier.

    I remember watching Koufax strike out 15 in the first game of the 63 series in that "extreme pitchers park", Yankee Stadium . With the possible exception of Goose Gossage, I've never seen a pitcher throw faster and with so much movement on his pitch. And he did it for nine innings. Maris never had a chance, and he knew it.

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    I remember watching Koufax strike out 15 in the first game of the 63 series in that "extreme pitchers park", Yankee Stadium . With the possible exception of Goose Gossage, I've never seen a pitcher throw faster and with so much movement on his pitch. And he did it for nine innings. Maris never had a chance, and he knew it.
    96 PF in 63 after 4 straight years of PF's in the 80. A LH makes Yankee Stadium even a better pitchers park.

    BTW Maris was .218/.307/.390 lifetime against LH's, not figuring out Koufax came with his game.

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    Compared to his era, I think Walter Johnson is the best guy since 1900, and maybe ever.

    But generally speaking, I firmly believe that the athletes of today are more skilled and better conditioned than those of generations ago. We're an evolving species. In sports that are more easily "measurable" (swimming, running, etc), it's abundantly clear that we've gotten incrementally better with time. I suspect it's the same with baseball. The hitters have better approaches and are a lot better conditioned (yes, even the ones not on steroids) than the guys in Walter Johnson's era.

    Thus, I have to think that the greatest pitcher ever almost certainly pitched in the last 10 years (Clemens, Pedro, Randy Johnson, etc.)
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    If we want to go with 2 years I get a guy I am taking Pedro Martinez in 1999 and 2000. Those were the two best seasons a pitcher has ever put together back to back and I refuse to believe otherwise.

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    Re: #1 All-Time Greatest Pitcher

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    96 PF in 63 after 4 straight years of PF's in the 80. A LH makes Yankee Stadium even a better pitchers park.

    BTW Maris was .218/.307/.390 lifetime against LH's, not figuring out Koufax came with his game.
    A friend of mine roomed with Koufax when they played on UC's baseball team together. He says they were supposed to warm up with their roommates, but he started to find reasons to stay in the locker room longer so one of the catchers would have to catch him he threw so hard.

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    Walter Johnson basically only had one pitch to work with, and he pitched in an era when strikeouts weren't as highly regarded as they are today. Same goes for Rusie. That's impressive in any era.
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    Koufax was probably the most talented. I've always been partial to Mathewson. But, Clemens is definitely in the conversation.
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    Walter Johnson.
    What he said. No doubt in my mind.

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    Pedro at his peak: virtually unhittable from 1997-2003, the biggest hitter's era in the history of the game. This includes a 1.73 ERA in 2000 and 1.90 in 1997. To put up HOF numbers that compare favorably to any era in that juicy period gets Pedro my vote.
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    Two words: Mario Soto

    But serriously, this is a great thread. I'd have to lean towards Pedro simply because he did what he did in an era of super-hitting, steriod fuled madness. J

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