Greinke

[Hondo]

Hey Guys,

I have been doing some thinking. The Royals have put Greinke out there on the market and I think that if the Reds start a package of Edinson Volquez, and Chris Heisey along with a few other prospects. The parting with Volquez would be strong enough to get this deal done. The payroll could be absorbed and the Reds get a guaranteed 200+ Innings and a guy to slide right behind Arroyo in the rotation.

Volquez might go on to win 15-20 games a year but he is an Injury risk. Grienke is Kevin Brown stuff in a Prime Years Body who would fit in perfect with this young team.

Arroyo
Greinke
Leake
Wood
Bailey

[Vottomatic]

Greinke's stats sucked last year. Maybe he's on the decline?

Not sure I trade much for him. And KC wants a boatload for him.

[lonewolf371]

Greinke's stats sucked last year. Maybe he's on the decline?

Not sure I trade much for him. And KC wants a boatload for him.

The only bad stat was ERA. He still put up 220 innings pitched, 7.4 K/9, 2.25 BB/9. His fielding independent numbers were terrific, his ERA last season should have been more around 3.34 with average fielding. Put him with the Reds' defense against NL lineups without the DH and I bet his ERA instantly drops back down around that range, maybe lower.

KC should want a boatload for him, but any team that gets him is getting a boatload in return. He would instantly be the Reds' best pitcher as soon as the deal was signed.

[Vottomatic]

The only bad stat was ERA. He still put up 220 innings pitched, 7.4 K/9, 2.25 BB/9. His fielding independent numbers were terrific, his ERA last season should have been more around 3.34 with average fielding. Put him with the Reds' defense against NL lineups without the DH and I bet his ERA instantly drops back down around that range, maybe lower.

KC should want a boatload for him, but any team that gets him is getting a boatload in return. He would instantly be the Reds' best pitcher as soon as the deal was signed.

ERA
2009 2.19
2010 4.17
Yeah, I guess bad defense accounted for 2 more runs allowed per 9 innings. I'm sure the official scorer missed a ton of errors.

Innings Pitched
2009 229
2010 220

Hits allowed
2009 195
2010 219

Earned Runs
2009 55
2010 102
Yep, defense was the main contributing factor in his earned runs nearly doubling in about the same amount of innings pitched.

K's
2009 242
2010 181

Batting Average Against
2009 .230
2010 .260
Yep, I guess the defense allowed the hitters to hit 30 points higher against him last year too.

Maybe KC knows something others don't? Maybe they're selling high before his value plummets? Hmmmm.

[Pony Boy]

I would stay away from Grienke. KC is trying to sell him before the wheels fall off. I say we roll with the guys we have and hope for marginal improvement from the young guys. That adds up to a pretty good lineup.

Walt needs to make a big splash in LF and leave the rest of the team alone.

[RedLakerFan24]

Alonso, Bailey, Mes, Yorman for Grienke
Volquez, Francisco, Frazier for Reyes

Not Going To Happen But One Could Dream

[mattfeet]

Alonso, Bailey, Mes, Yorman for Grienke
Volquez, Francisco, Frazier for Reyes

Not Going To Happen But One Could Dream

Absolutely not worth it for me, IMO.

-Matt

[757690]

Greinke has a huge contract, and will be a free agent in two years.

That should be taken into account in all trade offers.

He's a good catch, but not worth overpaying, imo.

[757690]

ERA
2009 2.19
2010 4.17
Yeah, I guess bad defense accounted for 2 more runs allowed per 9 innings. I'm sure the official scorer missed a ton of errors.

Innings Pitched
2009 229
2010 220

Hits allowed
2009 195
2010 219

Earned Runs
2009 55
2010 102
Yep, defense was the main contributing factor in his earned runs nearly doubling in about the same amount of innings pitched.

K's
2009 242
2010 181

Batting Average Against
2009 .230
2010 .260
Yep, I guess the defense allowed the hitters to hit 30 points higher against him last year too.

Maybe KC knows something others don't? Maybe they're selling high before his value plummets? Hmmmm.

That .30 bump in BA against amounts to around 25 hits. That's less than one a game. That easily can be ascribed to defense and luck.

[Hondo]

ERA
2009 2.19
2010 4.17
Yeah, I guess bad defense accounted for 2 more runs allowed per 9 innings. I'm sure the official scorer missed a ton of errors.

Innings Pitched
2009 229
2010 220

Hits allowed
2009 195
2010 219

Earned Runs
2009 55
2010 102
Yep, defense was the main contributing factor in his earned runs nearly doubling in about the same amount of innings pitched.

K's
2009 242
2010 181

Batting Average Against
2009 .230
2010 .260
Yep, I guess the defense allowed the hitters to hit 30 points higher against him last year too.

Maybe KC knows something others don't? Maybe they're selling high before his value plummets? Hmmmm.

VottoDude,

Love the stat comparison but heres the real deal.

The Royals were so terrible last year as of June 8th, Greinke was 1-8

That is a RECORD of 1 Win to 8 Losses.

He came back to Win 9 More games and lose 6 to finish admirely at 10-14

This guy has serious stuff.

The Royals did nothing to help this guy and it could have been worse if he wasnt such a dang good pitcher. Greinke with any help could have been 15 wins and 8 losses if he had "ANY" help from the offense...

He is a competitor.

[lonewolf371]

ERA
2009 2.19
2010 4.17
Yeah, I guess bad defense accounted for 2 more runs allowed per 9 innings. I'm sure the official scorer missed a ton of errors.

Innings Pitched
2009 229
2010 220

Hits allowed
2009 195
2010 219

Earned Runs
2009 55
2010 102
Yep, defense was the main contributing factor in his earned runs nearly doubling in about the same amount of innings pitched.

K's
2009 242
2010 181

Batting Average Against
2009 .230
2010 .260
Yep, I guess the defense allowed the hitters to hit 30 points higher against him last year too.

Maybe KC knows something others don't? Maybe they're selling high before his value plummets? Hmmmm.

Great numbers, but you're ignoring that his FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching) jumped from 2.33 to 3.34, which is an indication of what his ERA would have been with average fielding and takes into account the defense of his team. It's still a big jump but to be honest 2.33 is unsustainable for any pitcher in baseball. 3.34 is better than CC Sabathia last year and only 0.3 higher than Felix Hernandez. He still struck out more than Sabathia and walked less than Hernandez, so yes, I'm willing to attribute Greinke's ERA to his team's terrible defense. I also don't see a good reason why a 27 year-old pitcher would regress this much.

[Hondo]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

If the Rangers lose Lee to the Yankees, they will likely consider trading for Zack Greinke. The Royals like Rangers prospects Martin Perez and Tanner Scheppers.

Now come on! The Reds can make a comparable offer and get a 27 year old Cy Young Winner.

Walt, when you were in St. Louis, you made these trades! Lets go sir!

[Vottomatic]

It won't happen. Reds have enough cheap starting pitching. And Reds can't compete with large market teams going after Greinke.

But keep dreaming.

[Girevik]

And Reds can't compete with large market teams going after Greinke.

I disagree here. Right now the Reds are LOADED with prospects, and payroll really isn't a factor in a trade like this. There's no reason a large market team has an advantage here. If he were a free agent, it would be a different story.

[Vottomatic]

I disagree here. Right now the Reds are LOADED with prospects, and payroll really isn't a factor in a trade like this. There's no reason a large market team has an advantage here. If he were a free agent, it would be a different story.

I meant, we can't afford to add that much payroll.