"My cherie amour, lovely as a summer day."Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS
Walk him.
Pitch to him.
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Yeah, you have to pitch to him. As stated above, no way do you walk him and put the tying run in scoring position. It's textbook, really.
And that is what really pee'd me off.... that he had him 1-2 and got careless (or maybe cocky, thinking he could get one by him and K him).
But to allow the pitcher on base before that was an absolute sin.
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ah. what's the chances of a 3rd home run! We need a closer bad.
Wow! 36 (70%) say walk him.
And some of you want to be my manager?
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There is not a manager in baseball that would walk Pujols in that situation. If the reds would have walked him the Cardinals could have won the game without even getting a hit. If that would have happened then there would really be people second guessing.
Needless to say, I think that Weather's "invincibility" has just wore off. Really it was never there. It's just too bad the fall back to Earth hurt more than just his ego. Let's face it, Weather never has or will be the stopper at the end of the game and this was bound to happen sooner or later. If you have a true closer I think this discussion isn't taking place. As mentioned, walking Pujols really doesn't help when you have Rolen behind him now with a runner in scoring position. Heck, Rolen already went deep too, do you suggest we load the bases and walk him too? I don't disagree with the strategy, but Coffey may have been a better option.
If 70% of people say walk him, it certainly isn't a good testament of the board's managing ability.
There isn't a manager in baseball that would have walked him.
So what if he had already hit 2 HR's. His chance of hitting the 3rd was no better than usual.
If you walk him, you are almost conceding the tie, as they can score with productive outs.
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The problem wasn't pitching to him, the problem was with location. I know they wanted to come inside to set up the slider low and away, but in my opinion you don't throw that pitch unless you are waaaaay inside. A fastball to Pujols ON the inside corner is not the pitch in that situation. I would have went slider low and away and then came back with slider low and away and then slider low and away. If that didn't get the job done then I go to work on Rolen
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I don't walk him, but I don't give him an inside fastball either, I don't give him anything in that's over the plate, he crushes those pitches as he did all 3 times he got them yesterday.
To not walk him in my book isn't even a decision it's the only choice, you can't put the tying run on second, just no baseball logic in that, but you go down and away where he can't hit one out of the park. Use your best pitch and then if you walk him so be it, but up 1-2 you don't come in with a fastball unless it knocks him on his butt.
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you don't let the best player in the NL beat you. Walk him. I wouldn't even think twice. You have a much, much better chance to get Rolen out than you do Pujols.
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In Narron's/Weathers' defense, according to Weathers the call on that 1-2 pitch was to bust Pujols inside. However, Weathers missed -- and the resulting pitch caught too much of the plate.
Pujols is a great player, maybe the best hitter in the league. Weathers is a career journeyman, so it's clear to see which way the scales were tilted. When Weathers allowed Marquise to get on, I knew it was over.
While it is true that you should never let the opponent's best player beat you, I think the bigger problem yesterday was the pitching staff's inability to get the guys in the lower portion of the order out. Arroyo deserves the blame early on there. And, even though Coffey managed to escape the 8th unscathed, it was the fact that he faced 6 batters rather than 3 that led to Pujols even having an at bat in the 9th.
Rolen has a better chance in winning the game and tying the game than Pujols does. Rolen would only need a single to tie or a double/triple/ HR to win. Pujols needs a double/triple to tie and a HR to win. As good as Pujols is, the odds were to pitch to him. Weathers made a bad pitch and Pujols crushed it. Happens to even the best of them, not just guys like Weathers.
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