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    Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    Of course, he still has a 380-390 OBP right now so I shouldnt even be saying this. But he IS hitting 290-300 currently. His IsoD is down from about 140 to about 90-100, which again I don't even know why I'm saying this, but the fact that it is down is concerning. Anyone know what's up?
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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    9BB in 12 games works out to 121 for the season. No he hasn't lost the ability although I will grant you he has swung at more than a few bad pitches at the beginning of this season.

    I wouldn't worry about it after 12 games.

    If you want to worry about someone who has lost the ability to walk you may want to look at Austin Kearns who has a 1 BB for the season.
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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    9BB in 12 games works out to 121 for the season. No he hasn't lost the ability although I will grant you he has swung at more than a few bad pitches at the beginning of this season.

    I wouldn't worry about it after 12 games.

    If you want to worry about someone who has lost the ability to walk you may want to look at Austin Kearns who has a 1 BB for the season.
    Kearns is going to be ok. .340/.353/.700 4 HR 6 2Bs 35 Total Bases

    Dunn's numbers after 12 games look great as well. .310/.415/.833 35 Total Bases

    As far as worrying about Dunn, I would be more worried that he only has 1 double so far, but the other things he does well, get on base and hit 4 base hits, more than make up for that.
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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    On pace for 121 walks.....

    The answer to your question is NO.

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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    No I saw him walking around the dugout early in the game yesterday, I'm pretty sure he can still walk despite not being able to stay upright in LF on occasion this season.

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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    It's funny this thread gets started after a game where Dunn walked twice.
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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    He's on pace for another 100 walk season.
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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup
    Kearns is going to be ok. .340/.353/.700 4 HR 6 2Bs 35 Total Bases
    But his current OBP is entirely BA driven which will become a problem when his BA drops. Without the BBs and a drop in BA you end up with a hitter that looks a lot like the departed WMP.
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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    But his current OBP is entirely BA driven which will become a problem when his BA drops. Without the BBs and a drop in BA you end up with a hitter that looks a lot like the departed WMP.
    If the pitchers start pitching him more carefully he'll take the walk.

    1 BB every 8.5 trips to the plate for his career

    Something Pena had trouble doing - 1/17

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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    If the pitchers start pitching him more carefully he'll take the walk.

    1 BB every 8.5 trips to the plate for his career

    Something Pena had trouble doing - 1/17
    while 50 ABs is a small sample size that 1/50 ratio is a bit troubling at this point because I for one don't forsee his BA continuing at around .340
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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    I for one don't forsee his BA continuing at around .340
    Why not?

    Dunn's on pace for 103 HR's in that world.

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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    Why not?

    Dunn's on pace for 103 HR's in that world.
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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    Kearns is second on the team in pitches/per plate appearance with an average of 4.27 P/PA. It's not like he is going up there and just hacking away on the first or second pitch every atbat. At least he is working the count and stinging the ball. The walks will eventually start coming again.

    Dunn is fine also. Nine walks in 53 plate appearances equals out to around a walk every 5.8 PA's or so, which is slightly better than his career average of a walk every 6.02.

    He's had a chance for a few more walks but he chased a few bad pitches on 3-2 counts lately. But he did look real good at the plate yesterday after that first atbat. Dunn will be fine. I expect another season of 100+ walks and a .950+ OPS, but I'm hoping he can push it above 1.000 this year.
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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    If you look at the relationship between strikeouts, hits, and walks, you'll see that when walks decrease, it doesn't lead to more strikeouts, but rather is an indicator of more balls put in play.

    He's not walking because he's putting the ball in play more frequently. While you often hear "OBP driven by batting average" as a bad thing b/c it portends a future OBP decrease due to BA variability, in Dunn's case, this is a good thing. He's already estbalished the ability to walk when he's not hitting for average. However for somebody with his power, the more balls put in play the better. The marginal value of a ball in play over a walk is higher for Dunn than anybody else on the Reds -- and it's reflected in his insane SLG% (.833) right now. The more walks he can turn in to base hits, the better.

    I'm curious what the numbers say about a player's ability to improve his contact rate over time. If Dunn didn't swing and miss so much, then you're talking about Manny Ramirez & Albert Pujols territory. I'm just not sure if there is a history of players significantly increasing their contract rate -- I imagine most players who see a decrease in strikeouts experience increased plate discipline.
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    Re: Did Dunn forget how to walk?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick
    If you look at the relationship between strikeouts, hits, and walks, you'll see that when walks decrease, it doesn't lead to more strikeouts, but rather is an indicator of more balls put in play.

    He's not walking because he's putting the ball in play more frequently. While you often hear "OBP driven by batting average" as a bad thing b/c it portends a future OBP decrease due to BA variability, in Dunn's case, this is a good thing. He's already estbalished the ability to walk when he's not hitting for average. However for somebody with his power, the more balls put in play the better. The marginal value of a ball in play over a walk is higher for Dunn than anybody else on the Reds -- and it's reflected in his insane SLG% (.833) right now. The more walks he can turn in to base hits, the better.

    I'm curious what the numbers say about a player's ability to improve his contact rate over time. If Dunn didn't swing and miss so much, then you're talking about Manny Ramirez & Albert Pujols territory. I'm just not sure if there is a history of players significantly increasing their contract rate -- I imagine most players who see a decrease in strikeouts experience increased plate discipline.

    i don't follow. please explain how it would be a good thing for Dunn to make more contact? more contact could lower his OBP and that's the whole point, get on base, don't make an out.
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