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    Finally: The return of the triple threat (4/16)

    Sunday, April 16, 2006

    Finally: The return of the triple threat
    Mark Camps / SF Chronicle

    The steal of home, the art of keeping score, the $2 hot dog. All dying out in baseball. The triple, long believed to be on that endangered list, might be poised to make a comeback.

    During the 1970s and part of the '80s, the triple was a staple of the great turf teams such as the Royals, Cardinals, Reds and Pirates. Memories of Roberto Clemente pop-up-sliding into third or Pete Rose going headfirst are indelible. The 1979 Royals (George Brett, Willie Wilson & Co.) amassed 79 triples, the highest single-season total since the early 1940s.

    But the past 10 years have been particularly hard on the three-base hit. Last season, the 30 major-league teams averaged just 29.6 triples, the lowest average total since before 1900. The Tigers led the majors in 2005 with 45 triples, the fifth time in the past 10 seasons the league leader had fewer than 50.

    Over the years, it's gotten so ridiculous, some stat sheets shouldn't have even carried the triple column. The 1998 Orioles had just 11 triples for the season; the 2002 Yankees managed just 12.

    So what happened to what many believe is the most exciting play in baseball? The same things that led to the start of the home run boom in the mid-1990s also led to the drop-off of the triple. Smaller, natural-turf ballparks were built, replacing their cavernous plastic-turf predecessors. The new arenas meant more homers, but they also meant less territory for a ball to roll away from an outfielder.

    The cultivation of the power hitter to fit those cozy ballparks also led to a de-emphasis of the speed player who had some pop. Five-tool guys like Rickey Henderson, Cesar Cedeņo, Joe Morgan and Eric Davis -- guys who could regularly steal 50 bags, hit more than 25 homers and mix in a few triples -- just don't exist anymore. Who were the last players to steal 50 bases and hit 25 homers? Henderson and slimmer, trimmer Barry Bonds in 1990.

    But there is hope for the triples enthusiast. With the attempted eradication of steroid use, teams will perhaps build their rosters around speed players with moderate power instead of simply those with power. Young players such as Tampa Bay's Delmon Young, Florida's Jeremy Hermida and Arizona's Justin Upton could turn out to be those kind of players.

    In the meantime, triples were in the news during the first days of the season. In case you missed it:

    -- Colorado's Cory Sullivan last Sunday became the first player in 55 years to have two triples in one inning. Sullivan, who hit four triples in 378 at-bats last year, connected twice in the fifth inning against the Padres. Gil Coan of the Senators was the previous player to have two in an inning, doing it on April 21, 1951. The last NL player to have two in an inning: Curt Walker of the Reds on July 22, 1926.

    -- Giants outfielder Steve Finley had triples on consecutive days (April 7-8), giving him 114 for his career, the most of any active player. In the past 50 years, the record for most triples in a season by a player 40 years or older is five held by Enos Slaughter (1956 A's and Yankees), Willie Mays (1971 Giants), Rose (1981 Phillies) and Paul Molitor (1998 Twins).

    Hit the sac: Reds slugger Adam Dunn recently went 1,085 plate appearances -- from July 22, 2003, to June 29, 2005 -- without a sacrifice fly. So, what does he do in the first week of the season? He collects two of 'em.

    So, now that Dunn has become a better situational hitter, he's passed his aversion of sac flies to teammate Ryan Freel. The utilityman extraordinaire has not had a SF in 1,060 plate appearances (24 this year) since his last on Sept. 25, 2003.

    Manny, Manny more: Manny Ramirez is about to become the fourth player with 200 home runs for two different teams. Ramirez's first home run of the season will be his 200th with the Red Sox. Ramirez also had 236 with the Indians. The other three are Jimmie Foxx (302 A's, 222 Red Sox), Mark McGwire (363 A's, 220 Cardinals) and Rafael Palmeiro (321 Rangers, 223 Orioles).

    Sons of batters: Bonds, Moises Alou and Lance Niekro have yet to each hit homers in the same game. But when they do, home-run historian David Vincent reports, they will become the second trio of teammates who are sons of former ballplayers to hit homers in the same game. The only trio to do it: Seattle's David Bell, Ken Griffey and David Segui did it twice in 1999.

    Trivia answer: Sammy Sosa (588), Ramirez (435) and Vladimir Guerrero (305).

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    Re: Finally: The return of the triple threat (4/16)

    I think the increase in triples could be due to the quirky configurations in ballparks these days. Most new stadiums have this one area, usually in left or right center where it is kinda deep and at an odd angle. You get a guy who can fly and if he hits one just in the right area it's a triple. Of course Jaques Jones got a triple against the Reds on Opening Day with a ball down the RF line and that really isn't a quirky area.
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    Re: Finally: The return of the triple threat (4/16)

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R
    I think the increase in triples could be due to the quirky configurations in ballparks these days. Most new stadiums have this one area, usually in left or right center where it is kinda deep and at an odd angle. You get a guy who can fly and if he hits one just in the right area it's a triple. Of course Jaques Jones got a triple against the Reds on Opening Day with a ball down the RF line and that really isn't a quirky area.
    That was Juan Pierre that got the triple and it was simply due to his blazing speed.
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    Re: Finally: The return of the triple threat (4/16)

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor
    That was Juan Pierre that got the triple and it was simply due to his blazing speed.
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    Re: Finally: The return of the triple threat (4/16)

    The 1979 Royals (George Brett, Willie Wilson & Co.) amassed 79 triples, the highest single-season total since the early 1940s.

    But the past 10 years have been particularly hard on the three-base hit. Last season, the 30 major-league teams averaged just 29.6 triples, the lowest average total since before 1900. The Tigers led the majors in 2005 with 45 triples, the fifth time in the past 10 seasons the league leader had fewer than 50.
    Triples were the homers of the Deadball era (which the 70's was also alot like in some locales) They are a dying thing

    Look at the triples in the first 10 years of the 20th century and the ones in the last 10 to start.
    Code:
    1900-1909
    TRIPLES                         3B     
    1    Pirates                     925   
    2    Reds                        825   
    3    Cardinals                   661   
    4    Dodgers                     642   
    5    Phillies                    614   
    6    Cubs                        593   
    7    Giants                      555   
    8    Braves                      482   
    
    1995-2004
    
    TRIPLES                         3B     
    1    Rockies                     415   
    2    Pirates                     347   
    3    Phillies                    344   
    4    Marlins                     334   
    5    Giants                      316   
    6    Expos                       315   
    7    Astros                      305   
    8    Cubs                        303
    No team tripled like the Pirates did in the early part of the 20th century(no team since the 1933 Senators has had 100 triples in a season.)

    In the National League’s “Modern Era” there have only been 22 teams that had 100 triples in a season the Pirates were 13 of them, an amazing 59% of the times it was accomplished. The Reds accomplished it 5 of those times. Only the Cincinnati and the Pittsburgh franchise can claim multiple teams with 100 triples in a single season
    Code:
     
    TRIPLES                       YEAR     3B     
    1    Pirates                  1912      129   
    2    Pirates                  1924      122   
    3    Reds                     1926      120   
    4    Pirates                  1930      119   
    5    Pirates                  1929      116   
    T6   Pirates                  1923      111   
    T6   Reds                     1924      111   
    T8   Pirates                  1903      110   
    T8   Pirates                  1922      110   
    10   Pirates                  1926      106   
    T11  Pirates                  1925      105   
    T11  Reds                     1911      105   
    T11  Pirates                  1911      105   
    14   Pirates                  1921      104   
    15   Giants                   1911      103   
    16   Pirates                  1904      102   
    T17  Reds                     1905      101   
    T17  Cubs                     1911      101   
    T19  Reds                     1917      100   
    T19  Pirates                  1900      100   
    T19  Braves                   1921      100   
    T19  Pirates                  1928      100


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