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    Taking another look at the Casey trade

    What we got:

    D Williams
    CIN 0 2 8.00

    What we gave up:

    S Casey
    PIT .313

    What we got to replace Casey:

    S Hatteberg
    CIN .136

    ...now, please, I'd love to see you all try and defend the trade. It was a joke when it was made, it still is a joke.
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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    8.5 Million.

    The defense rests.

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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph
    8.5 Million.

    The defense rests.
    ...and what have we done with that money that helps the team at all??
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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    Took the words right out of my mouth, Joseph. Plus, Williams won't always be that bad. He won 10 games for the awful Pirates.
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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    Quote Originally Posted by djsauter
    ...and what have we done with that money that helps the team at all??
    Signed Dunn to an extension.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    Signed Dunn long term.
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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph
    8.5 Million.

    The defense rests.
    Plus, don't forget that he'd be taking that money sitting on the sidelines for 6-8 weeks..probably longer with that injury.
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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    Doesn't seem to me that Casey's .316 was helping Pittsburgh win any more games than Williams' 8.00 ERA was helping the Reds. Evaluating a trade in the first few weeks of the season is a litte premature. July/Aug would be more reasonable IMO.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    I dont care if Williams ever wins a game for the Reds Joseph already said it all. 8.5 million.

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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    Also, Casey has hit in a ton of DP already this year (rally killer) and is now injured. Pitt is in last place so I'm not sure you can say Casey has been a huge contributer.

    Aurilia is also playing 1st so put his stats at 1B a couple games as he has rocked.

    Williams pitched good his 1st outting. 2ER I think. it was a game we didn't score. Williams couldn't find the curve last game and that can't happen. He needs the curve.

    12 games in is a bit early to say if this was a good trade or not.
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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    Quote Originally Posted by djsauter
    ...now, please, I'd love to see you all try and defend the trade. It was a joke when it was made, it still is a joke.
    Garbage in, garbage out.

    Given Casey's salary level, performance, and projected declines due to age and a body type (big and slow moving) that didn't fit his style of game (contact) I imagine the Reds would've been lucky to get a coupon for a free Whopper™ for him. Maybe they could've gotten fries thrown in if they offered to pay more of his salary.

    Fault to Dan O'Brien for failing to move Casey in 2004 when he was batting close to .400 and hitting homers at a fair clip. Yet another black mark from the inaction packed days of the DanO regime.

    Now, as to whether Williams or the Whopper was a better deal, you decide.
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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor
    Now, as to whether Williams or the Whopper was a better deal, you decide.
    Whoppers upset my stomach. I'd take the Whopper.

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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    My problem is and always has been that Dave Williams sucks. Dave Williams for Casey and 1.1 million is a bad trade no matter what. I'd rather pay Casey the money (mind you I have wanted Casey traded since 2003) than have Dave Williams on the Reds. But when you talk about this trade please remember that not only did the Reds trade Casey for Dave Williams straight up, the Reds also included cash cause, well, I don't know why.

    So technically I agree with Caveat that the Reds waited too long to trade Casey and thats what makes this trade stink - but even so, Casey plus money for Dave Williams and Dave Williams alone is horrendous, even with ancilliary benefits like signing Dunn.

    Thats how bad Dave Williams is (and I don't buy that he won 10 games for a bad team stuff - if you trot out a pitcher 30 plus times and the team wins 14 of those games and the pitchers picks up 10 of those wins he is still on the wrong side of .500, and even for a number 5 thats not good).
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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph
    8.5 Million.

    The defense rests.
    and the man making that money has a broken back
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    Re: Taking another look at the Casey trade

    What we gave up:

    S Casey
    PIT .313
    So using batting average is the way to win a small sample race between two players who play 2 different positions, that represent completley different statistical contributions to the team?

    Forget the trade, I'd like to see someone defend that methodology.


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