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Thread: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

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    REDS PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    2006 numbers so far in AA-Chattanooga (updated thru 7-28):

    389 AB (1st in Southern League)*
    19 HR (1st in Southern League)*
    61 RBI (2nd in Southern League)*
    35 2B (1st in Southern League)*
    .321 AVG (1st in Southern League)*
    .403 OBP (3rd in Southern League)*
    .568 SLG (1st in Southern League)*
    .971 OPS (1st in Southern League)*

    87 K, 53 BB

    .082 IsoD
    .247 IsoP

    *(minimum 2.7 plate appearances per team game)




    Numbers prior to 2006, through 4 years of Rk, A-, and A+:

    1549 AB's
    52 HR
    265 RBI
    .278 AVG
    .379 OBP
    .452 SLG
    .831 OPS

    .......and 27 steals



    Joey Votto is putting up very good numbers so far in AA. It's early, but this could be his year he breaks out. With Florida being in town, I think it's an appropriate time to compare Votto to their top prospect, Jeremy Hermida. They both were drafted high out of high school in 2002. Hermida in the 1st round, Votto in the 2nd. Hermida is 6-4, 200 and Votto is 6-2, 222. They are both powerful LH hitters and are within 4 months of each other in age.

    Now, why couldn't Votto be on the same upward trend as Hermida was in 2005? He can, just a year behind. Let's blame it on being a Canadian. Blame Canada.

    Let's take a look....



    Prior to Hermida's breakout 2005 campaign, he put up the following numbers in 2003 and 2004 between low A and high A at 19 and 20 years of age:

    808 AB's
    16 HR
    99 RBI
    .790 OPS*
    173 K's
    122 BB's

    Now, taking the angle that Votto is a year behind Hermida (for whatever reason). These are his numbers in 2004 and 2005 between low A and high A (same levels) at 20 and 21 years of age:

    939 AB's
    36 HR's
    175 RBI
    .840 OPS*
    253 K's
    142 BB's

    Hermida's breakout season (at age 21) in AA (Southern League - same league Votto is currently in) last year consisted of:

    386 AB's
    18 HR's
    63 RBI
    .968 OPS
    89 K's
    111 BB's

    Now, coming into this season he is regarded as the top Florida prospect, in an organization deep in talent.


    I know, it's early and we have a small sample size here, but if Votto keeps tearing it up, I think the comparison is fair. In fact, I see no reason why Votto couldn't rise to the ranks of a Hermida and get some quality AB's with the big club late in 2006 and be a big time major league prospect for 2007.


    *OPS numbers are not exact, but within .005 (give or take 5 points).
    Last edited by BuckeyeRedleg; 07-29-2006 at 04:23 PM.

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    I've always liked the guy. Got to see him play in Dayton all the time a couple years ago. I would love for him to have a very good year and be our 1B next year. He will have a better chance of starting in 07 if we are bad this year bc he will get more AB's. If we contend, we will be on the bench come September. I expect him to see time.

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    Hey BuckeyeRedleg,

    Thank you so much for compiling all of these stats for us to read here on my favorite site on the 'net. I don't have enough time with school to do all of this but it's nice to have this sort of insight.

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    2006 numbers so far in AA-Chattanooga (updated thru 6-14):

    249 AB's (4th in SL)*
    9 HR (7th in SL)*
    34 RBI (10th in SL)*
    61 K (8th in SL)*
    32 BB (11th in SL)*
    .305 AVG (7th in SL)*
    .383 OBP (8th in SL)*
    .514 SLG (4th in SL)*
    .897 OPS (7th in SL)*

    .078 IsoD
    .209 IsoP

    *(minimum 2.7 plate appearances per team game)
    Last edited by BuckeyeRedleg; 06-15-2006 at 10:36 PM.

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    2006 numbers so far in AA-Chattanooga (updated thru 6-16):

    259 AB's (2nd in SL)*
    11 HR (2nd in Southern League)*
    40 RBI (4th in Southern League)*
    62 K
    32 BB
    .317 AVG (3rd in Southern League)*
    .390 OBP (7th in Southern League)*
    .548 SLG (2nd in Southern League)*
    .939 OPS (1st in Southern League)*

    .073 IsoD
    .229 IsoP

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    2006 numbers so far in AA-Chattanooga (updated thru 6-18):

    268 AB's (1st in Southern League)*
    13 HR (1st in Southern League)*
    43 RBI (2nd in Southern League)*
    152 TB (1st in Southern League)*
    .321 AVG (3rd in Southern League)*
    .392 OBP (7th in Southern League)*
    .567 SLG (2nd in Southern League)*
    .959 OPS (1st in Southern League)*

    63 K, 32 BB

    .071 IsoD
    .246 IsoP

    *(minimum 2.7 plate appearances per team game)

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    Joey Votto Triple Crown watch (thru 6-21):

    14 HR (1st in Southern League)
    46 RBI (1st in Southern League)
    .315 AVG (3rd in Southern League)

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    I really hope Votto doesnt come close to challenging for the Triple Crown... I think he has earned a promotion to Louisville, and wouldnt be suprised if doesnt get it sometime in the next month.

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    What's the reasoning behind moving him to AAA? He'll arguably face more talented hurlers in AA. Stuff matters, at this point.

    Too, a Triple Crown gives him publicity, and, in turn, attractiveness to other teams. If the Reds are willing to deal him, his year at AA is directly proportional to the quality of starting pitcher likely to receive.

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    If he's tearing it up in AA, he could just as well finish out the year in AA, challenge for the triple crown in the process, and then jump straight to the Reds in September for some late-season AB's before challenging for the !B job in 2007 (as long as Dunn is not moved there).

    There's one other factor to consider. If the plan is to move to Dunn to 1B in 2007 and beyond, maybe they want Votto's triple crown stats looking pretty at AA, so that he makes good trade bait.

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    Scrap. I didn't see your post before making mine. Well said.

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    Joey Votto Triple Crown watch (thru 6-27):

    15 HR (1st in Southern League)*
    48 RBI (2nd in Southern League)**
    .314 AVG (3rd in Southern League)***

    *Votto is up 2 HR's on #2 Ryan Christianson (13 HR).

    **He is 2 RBI behind Craig Brazell (50 RBI).

    ***In BA, he is currently behind Matt Kemp (.327) and Danny Richar (.325). Kemp will soon be removed from the lead because he will not have enough AB's to qualify (2.7 PA's/gm) as he is up with the Dodgers and doing fairly well right now.


    As most already know, Votto was named to the Southern League All-Star team (with Aaron Herr, Noochie Varner, Jon Coutlangus, and David Shafer) to be played July 10, in Montgomery, AL.

    http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/...606280378/1002

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    Joey Votto Triple Crown watch (thru 7-5):

    17 HR (1st in Southern League)*
    53 RBI (2nd in Southern League)**
    .322 AVG (1st in Southern League)***


    *He is 3 HR up on #2, Scott Moore (WTN).

    **He is 2 RBI behind Craig Brazell (55 RBI).

    ***He is now .006 (.322 - . 316) ahead in avg on Danny Richar (TEN).

    Votto has to be one of the hottest hitters in any organization right now and appears to indeed be comparable to Jeremy Hermida (2005) as mentioned in the first post of this thread.

    Now, Votto is roughly 100 Plate Appearances from matching up with Hermida's 2005 season (also in the Southern League), but here's how they compare so far. Same league, Hermida one year younger in 2005 as Votto is in 2006.

    Hermida: 386 AB's......Votto: 323 AB's
    Hermida: 18 HR's.......Votto: 17 HR's
    Hermida: 63 RBI........Votto: 53 RBI
    Hermida: .968 OPS....Votto: .975 OPS
    Hermida: 89 K's........Votto: 72K's
    Hermida: 111 BB's.....Votto: 40 BB's

    Plate discipline seems to be the only major difference between Hermida 2005 and Votto 2006, as Votto is "on pace" for roughly half the total number of walks in 2006 (55) as Hermida had in 2005 (111).



    By the way, Votto also leads the Southern League in games, hits, runs and his 15 SB's put him 6th in the league in that category. 15 steals? Are you kidding me? Not bad for a first-basemen. Anyway, if he keeps this up, he has to be considered for Minor League player of the year.
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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    I would sincerely hope the Reds have penciled him in for a challenge for 1b next spring.

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    Re: PROSPECT: Joey Votto - 1B [AA] 2002 draft (RD 2) DOB: 9-10-83

    Quick question....check out yesterdays box score for the lookouts game. It says Votto hit a HR and had 2 RBI. Which would put him at 18 HR and 55 RBI. However, neither of these show up in his numbers on his profile on milb.com. Anyone have any idea what that is all about?


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