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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    Be careful what you wish for with Elizardo. It's not like the Reds have much choice but to bring him up right now, but man he's been nothing but atrocious when he's been up.
    He is 23 (susposedly) and has made 4 career starts. You jump to conclusions too fast.

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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44
    He is 23 (susposedly) and has made 4 career starts. You jump to conclusions too fast.
    Well, he does have a minor league history that suggests he's just not very good. I think just the opposite. You suggesting that he's good is jumping to conclusions.

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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44
    He is 23 (susposedly) and has made 4 career starts. You jump to conclusions too fast.
    I made a post about him on the ORG -- I'll summarize by saying that I'm NOT high on the kid, and that unless he's changed radically from the guy I saw last year, he's going to fit right in with this rotation.
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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    You suggesting that he's good is jumping to conclusions.
    Take a poll!!

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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    I am in the middle. At 23, I can hope me might improve on his minor league numbers at some point (perhaps learn a new pitch?), yet fully acknowledge that he is FAR from being someone for whom one should be expecting even an average stat line given a lot of starts.

    At any rate, I like him a little more for tomorrow night then Darrel May. Damning with faint praise, but there it is...

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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    Oh crap.....It's his LEFT knee.

    I glossed over "knee" thinking it was the same one.

    Wow. That's really strange.
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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    BTW who can name the last 2 Reds starters at age 23 (or younger) to get more than 5 starts in a season?

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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    BTW who can name the last 2 Reds starters at age 23 (or younger) to get more than 5 starts in a season?
    Jack Armstrong.

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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    Well, he does have a minor league history that suggests he's just not very good. I think just the opposite. You suggesting that he's good is jumping to conclusions.
    He has a minor league ERA of 2.93, WHIP of 1.14 and a 5-1 strikeout to walk ratio. How is that a minor league history that shows hes just not very good?

    I dont think he is going to come in here and be lights out, but I expect much better than last year in a Reds uniform as well.

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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    BTW who can name the last 2 Reds starters at age 23 (or younger) to get more than 5 starts in a season?
    Brian Reith?
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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelhouse
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't ballclubs insure all major contracts?
    Against death, probably yes. "Injury" insuranse is really expensive, for obvious reasons. Remember, insurance companies make money. So,they collect more in premiums than they pay out. It makes ense to buy, say, fire insurance for the average homeowner, as they don't want to gamble the premiums vs. the complete loss. But, on a cost/expectation of return it's actually a bad investment for the home owner, as the insurance company will collect more in premiums than pay out.

    The cost of getting insurance on all of the Reds contracts against injury would run you many millions of dollars.

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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    He has a minor league ERA of 2.93, WHIP of 1.14 and a 5-1 strikeout to walk ratio. How is that a minor league history that shows hes just not very good?

    I dont think he is going to come in here and be lights out, but I expect much better than last year in a Reds uniform as well.
    Seems pretty good to me.

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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

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    Brian Reith?
    Yeah he's one... the other that year was Reitsma, the year before Bell.

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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    He has a minor league ERA of 2.93, WHIP of 1.14 and a 5-1 strikeout to walk ratio. How is that a minor league history that shows hes just not very good?

    I dont think he is going to come in here and be lights out, but I expect much better than last year in a Reds uniform as well.

    Ooops. Took FCB's characterization of the Lizards' minor league stats without looking it up for myself. My bad.

    At 23, with that stat line, there is reason for a smidgen of optimism for him then...

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    Re: Milton headed to surgery, DL

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    He has a minor league ERA of 2.93, WHIP of 1.14 and a 5-1 strikeout to walk ratio. How is that a minor league history that shows hes just not very good?

    I dont think he is going to come in here and be lights out, but I expect much better than last year in a Reds uniform as well.
    Yea, but he's never had a K/9 above 7 in full season ball until this year (which is very early). He was rushed, yes, but he's not a great prospect. Those H/9 numbers look pretty bad too. Can he improve, certainly, he is young and has already improved some this year, predominately by changing speeds IIRC. But he has never had great stuff. Hopefully he will do better this time around, but lets not get crazy and say his minor league history shows him as being good.


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