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    Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    I was always told that the highway patrol was required to have their headlights on while sitting in the median trying to catch speeders. For about the last month now, I've noticed many a dark car with the radar gun hanging out the window on my late night/early morning drives home from work. It's also not just the OSHP, I've seen patrol officers doing this in several cities lately as well. Before the last month, I can't really recall having seen police cars trying to catch speeders without their headlights on. Has something in the law changed that they are now allowed to do this? Has it always been this way, and I was ignorant about it? Someone help me on this, I'm perplexed.
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan
    I was always told that the highway patrol was required to have their headlights on while sitting in the median trying to catch speeders. For about the last month now, I've noticed many a dark car with the radar gun hanging out the window on my late night/early morning drives home from work. It's also not just the OSHP, I've seen patrol officers doing this in several cities lately as well. Before the last month, I can't really recall having seen police cars trying to catch speeders without their headlights on. Has something in the law changed that they are now allowed to do this? Has it always been this way, and I was ignorant about it? Someone help me on this, I'm perplexed.
    I've asked the same question of a friend of mine who is a HW patrolman. He says there is no such law.

    But even if there was, and you got stopped by a patrolman who didn't have his lights on, how are you gonna prove it in a court of law? It's your word against his, and a vast majority of the time the judge is gonna take the officer's word over yours.
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    Never heard of such a thing.
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    I was also told once that they are not allowed to sit on private property as well. Never believed it, just like the headlight thing.

    FWIW, I was always told it was the parking lights that had to be on. Anyhoo, I never really believed that one either. It's like GAC said, your word against his/hers.
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    I always heard that they had to be in a marked car, visible from the roadway. Whether that means having the lights on or just having reflective material on the side, I don't know. I heard the reasoning behind it was to avoid accidents. A dark patrol car can be very difficult to see at night when it's pulling out from a direction you don't normally expect cars.

    On the other hand, the Ohio turnpike has a set up that can be scary. Ever since they expanded to 3 lanes each way, many sections have a concrete barrier separating traffic instead of a median. At regular intervals, they have openings in the barrier with little concrete flares that extend toward the roadway. Highway Patrol likes to duck into those concrete openings to watch for speeders. The problem is that, at night at least, it makes it very hard to seem them, because the reflective parts of their cars are hidden behind the concrete flare. There have been a couple times where an officer has pulled out from one of those at night and forgotten to turn on his lights right away. It's really startling to suddenly see a dark patrol car pulling out almost right in front of you with no lights on.
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    Quote Originally Posted by StillFunkyB
    I was also told once that they are not allowed to sit on private property as well.
    Do you mean sit on private property WITH the permission of the owners or WITHOUT the permission of the owners?

    If it's the latter, the police are never allowed to station themselves on private property unless they're doing some type of search based on probable cause or warrant, or if they're there under some other type of court order. Private property, by definition, gives you the right to exclude others. "Others" includes the government, with only a limited number of exceptions.

    In terms of speed traps, you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy on public roads. This is true in the U.S. constitution, and as far as I know it's true in every state constitution as well. Therefore, I would assume that police can hide behind bridges, guardrails, or whatever they want to do in order to catch you doing an unlawful act. There's also a lot of case law involving helicopters. That may very by state. But I do know that both the U.S. constitution and the Massachusetts constitution allows the police to fly over your house without a warrant or probable cause (to search for marijuana, speeding motorists, etc.).
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee
    I always heard that they had to be in a marked car, visible from the roadway.
    Do you recall if that was an internal Ohio Trooper POLICY or an Ohio statute?

    If it's the former, it's not going to prevent you from getting a ticket. Even if it's the latter, it might not help you in court, since it sounds like the PURPOSE of the policy/law is safety, rather than privacy.
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    My B-i-l does some work with the patrol here in Ohio. I'll get the scoop from him.
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    Most enforcement agencies do NOT have to be in marked vehicles. In fact, the agency writing most of the speeding tickets on the interstates around KY is Vehicle Enforcement. They used to focus primarily on overweight truckers at highway scales, but now they are enjoying the windfall revenue that is passenger speeding tickets. The are almost exclusively in unmarked passenger vehicles. Although many of their vehicles now possess daytime running lights, I do not think that is a requirement to have their headlamps on either. I dunno about Ohio, but in the Commonwealth of Kentucky an enforcement vehicle CAN be hidden--so long as it is situated along the state right-of-way (i.e. NOT on private property).
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili
    Do you recall if that was an internal Ohio Trooper POLICY or an Ohio statute?

    If it's the former, it's not going to prevent you from getting a ticket. Even if it's the latter, it might not help you in court, since it sounds like the PURPOSE of the policy/law is safety, rather than privacy.
    I checked the Ohio Revised Code, but haven't keycited/shepardized the statutes. ORC 4549.13 requires officers on duty for monitoring misdemeanor violations of motor vehicle and traffic laws to be in a marked car with a flashing light on top. Under 4549.15, such officers have to be in uniform. An officer who fails to abide by either of these restrictions at the time of arrest is incompetent to testify against the violator (4549.14, 4549.16).

    http://onlinedocs.andersonpublishing...-h.htm&cp=PORC

    That I can see on such a short search, there is nothing about keeping their lights on or having to be visible from the roadway, so those may be OSHP policy, or may have been at one time. Or they could be common misconceptions.

    While Ohio could recognize a greater expectation of privacy than the US Constitution or other states, I suspect the policy behind them is more likely to be public safety based.
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee
    I checked the Ohio Revised Code, but haven't keycited/shepardized the statutes. ORC 4549.13 requires officers on duty for monitoring misdemeanor violations of motor vehicle and traffic laws to be in a marked car with a flashing light on top. Under 4549.15, such officers have to be in uniform. An officer who fails to abide by either of these restrictions at the time of arrest is incompetent to testify against the violator (4549.14, 4549.16).

    http://onlinedocs.andersonpublishing...-h.htm&cp=PORC

    That I can see on such a short search, there is nothing about keeping their lights on or having to be visible from the roadway, so those may be OSHP policy, or may have been at one time. Or they could be common misconceptions.
    There is no requirement that the officer have his lights on in his car or be visible in order to make the elements of a traffic offense.

    In order to convcit someone on a traffic stop, the prosecutor in the case must prove the following facts:

    * Identification: The officer must be able to identify the defendant sitting in court as the individual he pulled over.

    * Jurisdiction: The officer must testify that the action occured in the county/city that the court sits in

    * Uniformed Officer: A traffic stop can only occur by an officer who is in uniform at the time of the stop

    * Marked Car: The officer must be driving in a marked police cruiser. Other states DO NOT have this requirement -- such as Indiana, where you can be pulled over by an unmarked cop car.

    * Elements of the Offense: Prosecutor must get testimony on the record that you violated all of the statutory elements of the offense.

    That's it. As long as the prosecutor gets all of that ony the record, you're busted unless you can offer evidence that raises reasonable doubt about the veracity of the officer's testimony.
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    The more I think about it, the purpose of requiring the car to have police lights is probably to prevent imposter policemen... like that guy from the NBA who used to pull people over for fun.
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    The only people that want police officers visible (car in the open and lights on) are those whose intent is to not obey the law. Face it!
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili
    The more I think about it, the purpose of requiring the car to have police lights is probably to prevent imposter policemen... like that guy from the NBA who used to pull people over for fun.
    I agree somewhat, but it might also help avoid unnecessary pursuits. It ensures that people know that the person trying to pull them over is a law enforcement officer. Are you going to stop just because some guy in an unmarked car pulls up to you going 70 mph and flashes a badge at you? At night, on a highway, with no one else around?
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    Re: Can anyone clarify: Interstate Speed Traps

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili
    The more I think about it, the purpose of requiring the car to have police lights is probably to prevent imposter policemen... like that guy from the NBA who used to pull people over for fun.
    Are you talking about Shaq? I know he's an officer of the law. lmao, imagine getting pulled over by shaq.
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