Turn Off Ads?
Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

  1. #1
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    16,000

    The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

    We've all been singing the praises of Arroyo, Phillips, and EE as some of the reasons we're 18-8. However, perhaps our 1B platoon has been overlooked.

    Aurilia and Hatteberg have combined for the following line: .343/.434/.573

    That's right; our 1B is OPS'ing over 1.000. It seems very akin to how Narron used our catchers last year. I'm sure both guys would like more playing time, but Narron is putting them in the position to succeed and the net result is one of the more productive 1B's in the league from two very average (at best) players.

    There's always going to be room to complain about a manager (lefty/righty obsession anyone?). But between the intelligent platooning, giving Freel CF full-time with Junior out, playing Phillips everyday when Womack was still on the roster, using his most effective reliever in the highest leverage situations, I'm starting to adjust to the idea of Narron being around a while.

    He seems to have a very good rapport with Krivsky and if we continue to win, it will become clear that success makes a manager popular, not the other way around. There's no need to bring in a higher profile name (Pinella). One thing about Narron I like is that he's good in the media playing the whole game of not hurting feelings, but that he has a real plan behind the scenes.

    I suppose we'll see where my optimism goes when people cool off...
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    4,071

    Re: The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick
    We've all been singing the praises of Arroyo, Phillips, and EE as some of the reasons we're 18-8. However, perhaps our 1B platoon has been overlooked.

    Aurilia and Hatteberg have combined for the following line: .343/.434/.573

    That's right; our 1B is OPS'ing over 1.000.
    If anyone would have predicted this they would have been laughed at...for a long time. Great point. I too, am surprised with the early success of our 1B.

  4. #3
    Churlish Johnny Footstool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Olathe, KS
    Posts
    13,790

    Re: The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

    Narron deserves praise for taking Tony Womack out of the lineup, that's for sure.
    "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

  5. #4
    Designated Threadkiller LincolnparkRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    1,791

    Re: The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

    I think Narron is getting to put his stamp on this years team. Last year he had the dreaded "interim" tag for the whole year but knew that DanO was at least tolerant of him. I think this year he started out not trying to step on Krivsky's toes but I think with Hancock he got to flex his muscles a little to help him gain face with some on the team and this is getting him a little more leeway that along with the hot start will give him some job security for the near future.

    As for Lou, I just don't think a manager with a red a$$ all the time works as well with today's players. Look at Larry Bowa, his teams hated him and always seemed to underperform.
    Climbing down from the bridge, but keeping the torch lit until Dusty's fate is settled

  6. #5
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    16,000

    Re: The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

    Hatteberg has 2 walks so far in 2 AB today. In 59 AB he has 15 and 4 strikeouts. The guy is basically Sean Casey except instead of so many flares to left field and double plays to 2B he walks instead.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  7. #6
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,312

    Re: The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

    RMR, walks dont count as at bats, so the stat is a slightly misleading. He has walked 15 times in at least 74 at bats (havent looked at sac hits so its close to that). Still a very good ratio, especially the 15/4 ratio. I have been very impressed with Hatteberg this year, I am not sure anyone saw what he has done so far coming.

  8. #7
    White Castle to the Nile Crash Davis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Tybee Island, GA
    Posts
    1,943

    Re: The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick
    We've all been singing the praises of Arroyo, Phillips, and EE as some of the reasons we're 18-8. However, perhaps our 1B platoon has been overlooked.

    Aurilia and Hatteberg have combined for the following line: .343/.434/.573

    That's right; our 1B is OPS'ing over 1.000. It seems very akin to how Narron used our catchers last year. I'm sure both guys would like more playing time, but Narron is putting them in the position to succeed and the net result is one of the more productive 1B's in the league from two very average (at best) players.

    There's always going to be room to complain about a manager (lefty/righty obsession anyone?). But between the intelligent platooning, giving Freel CF full-time with Junior out, playing Phillips everyday when Womack was still on the roster, using his most effective reliever in the highest leverage situations, I'm starting to adjust to the idea of Narron being around a while.

    He seems to have a very good rapport with Krivsky and if we continue to win, it will become clear that success makes a manager popular, not the other way around. There's no need to bring in a higher profile name (Pinella). One thing about Narron I like is that he's good in the media playing the whole game of not hurting feelings, but that he has a real plan behind the scenes.

    I suppose we'll see where my optimism goes when people cool off...
    "I fought because I understood and could not bear to understand, that it was my destiny -- unlike that of my father, whose fate it was to hear the roar of the crowd -- to sit in the stands with most men and acclaim others. It was my fate, my destiny, my end, to be a fan."

  9. #8
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    16,000

    Re: The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    RMR, walks dont count as at bats, so the stat is a slightly misleading. He has walked 15 times in at least 74 at bats (havent looked at sac hits so its close to that). Still a very good ratio, especially the 15/4 ratio. I have been very impressed with Hatteberg this year, I am not sure anyone saw what he has done so far coming.
    Right, 74 plate appearances. I'll still take a .450 OBP any day. The number of at bats doesn't change the fact that he's walked nearly 4 times for every strikeout.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  10. #9
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,312

    Re: The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

    Im an idiot and cant type.

  11. #10
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    princeton, nj
    Posts
    9,482

    Re: The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

    I remember a couple of years ago when Juan Castro was hitting .310 in June, then went about 1 for 78.


    good times

  12. #11
    The Lineups stink. KronoRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    West N. Carolina
    Posts
    55,655

    Re: The least heralded contributors & thoughts on Narron

    Got him a starting job with the Twins though
    Go Gators!


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25