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    How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    I know a lot of people on this board wanted Matt Clement instead of Arroyo. So, I decided to do a little research to see how each pitcher is doing. The stats are below:

    Year Team G GS W L SV IP H R ER BB K CG SHO ERA WHIP
    Clement: 2006 BOS 6 6 3 2 0 35.1 39 23 21 19 25 0 0 5.35 1.64
    Arroyo: 2006 CIN 6 6 5 0 0 43.2 29 12 10 10 34 1 0 2.06 0.89

    I know it's early and Clement pitches in a tougher division, but if the trend continues (even when Arroyo comes down to earth), I think Arroyo will be the better trade (who would've thunk it?).

    Let me know what you think...

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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by shredda2000

    I know it's early and Clement pitches in a tougher division
    I don't think there is a tougher division right now than the NL Central. Arroyo has pitched 4 of his 6 starts against Chicago & St. Louis. Those numbers speak volumes. The Reds got the better pitcher (who, lucky for us, was cheaper anyway).
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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    While he hasn't exactly gotten a ton of playing time, Wily Mo has put up a .322/.369/.559

    I'm definitely pleased with what Arroyo has done, but Wily Mo is doing exactly what you'd expect from him in Boston -- great power, shaky defense.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckU
    I don't think there is a tougher division right now than the NL Central. Arroyo has pitched 4 of his 6 starts against Chicago & St. Louis. Those numbers speak volumes. The Reds got the better pitcher (who, lucky for us, was cheaper anyway).
    Thank you. I was just going to add this. I believe the NL Central may well be the best division in baseball.

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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    Decent.
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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz
    Thank you. I was just going to add this. I believe the NL Central may well be the best division in baseball.
    Some of the teams in the Central are playing like it is now..... but we'll see as the season progresses. I think they are gonna be some tough races in the other divisions, such as the AL East and West.

    And I'd have taken two top pitching prospects for Pena. He was expendable IMO.
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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC
    And I'd have taken two top pitching prospects for Pena. He was expendable IMO.
    I'd swap an outfielder for good pitching any ol' day. I don't care if he turns into the next Sammy Sosa. How many World Series did the first Sammy Sosa play in? Pitching wins pennants, slugging outfielders drain the bank account.
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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    The best news I saw recently was an interview with Arroyo last night where he said he's loving Cincinnati because of how laid back it is there as opposed to Boston. I love it!
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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    I imagine Arroyo can enjoy a few Strutter: A Tribute to Kiss shows at Annie's. And certainly catch Gwar at Bogart's. Borrow a few Chastain cassette tapes from locals.

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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    Looks good...at this time.
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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    I love jumping to conclusions a month into the season.
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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    Clement has always been overrated. Under league ERA twice in like eight years. His inconsistency is another major factor in staying away from a pitcher like him.
    This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    I love jumping to conclusions a month into the season.
    As if those of us who thought the trade was a good one from the beginning wouldn't be hearing it if Arroyo had started off 0-5 with a 6.50 ERA. To answer the question, the trade looks as good to me now as it did when we made it. I loved it then, and I love it now.
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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    I'm going to say that I like the trade... without a disclaimer about how it's only May, how he's gotten lucky, blah, blah, blah...

    I liked the trade from the first day. Of course, given Arroyo's amazing start, I'm LOVING it right now.

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    Re: How Is The Arroyo Trade Lookin' Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    Looks good...at this time.
    Has the potential to be the best kind of trade: both teams deal something surplus to requirements, get something they need, and play better baseball as a result.


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